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23 Dec 04
23 Dec 04
Originally posted by mateulosegood choice mateulose
Oh boy, I don't want to get into this topic AGAIN, because A LOT of ppl admire Ironman as a hero, but personally, you all know my opinion on this matter, ugh. . .
after all, Russ is developing the mods, and time will tell if you are right. In the mean time, it is wrong to get into it.
23 Dec 04
Originally posted by mateuloseHa! I know he's certainly a legit player and you're only a spoilt sorry player who cannot accept that there are some guys who are tactically and positionally flawless without any help but their exceptional minds.
Reid, which may mean next to bollocks, intelligent ppl have ways of, ugh, *bites tongue*.
23 Dec 04
Originally posted by RavelloHe's a master player, and a hell of a lot better then I'll ever be, that still doesn't man he uses, ugh, sometimes, to become a god who never errors. . . *shrugs*
Ha! I know he's certainly a legit player and you're only a spoilt sorry player who cannot accept that there are some guys who are tactically and positionally flawless without any help but their exceptional minds.
24 Dec 04
I think Ironman would agree that his play is far from flawless. Even Kasparov admits to making mistakes in his games. If at point you believe you can not play better chess then you will not play better chess. As chess has not been solved then no one can play perfect chess.
While no one plays perfect chess Ironman plays much better chess than me or you. He's not cheating that much is obvious if you actually spend time looking at his games. But I admit his one loss record is amazing.
24 Dec 04
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Originally posted by XanthosNZWell, to put things into perspective, I was part of a correspondance site where Judith Polgar was apparently present, and she received 16 losses, but a thousand or so wins. She claimed to have thought only 3 min per move mind you.
I think Ironman would agree that his play is far from flawless. Even Kasparov admits to making mistakes in his games. If at point you believe you can not play better chess then you will not play better chess. As chess has not been solved ...[text shortened]... looking at his games. But I admit his one loss record is amazing.
Now Ironman is playing a lot more games then her simultaneously, around 120 at a time, so I can't imagine him spending much time thinking, plus, he's supposively an amateur, chess isn't his profession like Polgar, so when we add all this up, his time per move must be limited to around the same as Polgar's at best.
I do the math, the logic, and Ironman's record doesn't make sense. Either we all suck at chess and none of us have ever received a OTB rating over 1900, or Ironman is just simply the next coming Kasparov, the fact that he, if not cheating, probably beat deep Fritz players several times says enough. Does the guy ever have a bad day?
Consider all this, and you know my opinion, I've discussed this before, it seems kinda unbeleivable, but if you want to beleive in miracle workers, I'm not one to judge, maybe he's really just that good, but there is a little voice inside my head that's drumming who refuses to beleive all this (Ironman's work) is possible. . .
24 Dec 04
Originally posted by mateuloseStop spreading crap in forums!
Well, to put things into perspective, I was part of a correspondance site where Judith Polgar was apparently present, and she received 16 losses, but a thousand or so wins. She claimed to have thought only 3 min per move mind you.
Now Ironman is playing a lot more games then her simultaneously, around 120 at a time, so I can't imagine him spending muc ...[text shortened]... side my head that's drumming who refuses to beleive all this (Ironman's work) is possible. . .
24 Dec 04
Originally posted by mateuloseIf you believe someone is cheating, gather evidence, wait until the cheat police are in place and report it to them. In the meantime, quit posting your unfounded accusations/insinuations in the forums. Your kind of shenanigans help nobody on the site.
And so the war begins, as expected, argh, plz, nobody bring up Ironman posts anymore, there's a religious cult!
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24 Dec 04
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Originally posted by RagnorakIt's just amazing, in a sense, how just about every other top player, many of whom I know do not cheat, at least get questioned every now and then, but a a mystery man who never loses, joins multiple clans, doesn't say a word, joins several leagues, and changes his flags/identity quicker then Jennifer Lopez changes husbands, can somehow be off limits.
If you believe someone is cheating, gather evidence, wait until the cheat police are in place and report it to them. In the meantime, quit posting your unfounded accusations/insinuations in the forums. Your kind of shenanigans help nobody on the site.
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Anyways, even if he does what I suspect, there would be no way to prove it. I'm tempted to do it myself as proof that it can be done, but then you guys would know something is up (even without any proof beyond this post) and my days here would be numbered. . .
24 Dec 04
If you stopped wasting everyone's time posting pointless threads about how much you suck you might have seen the threads that have accused Ironman of cheating in the past. Each time it has been shown that if you look at his games he plays nothing like a computer. His play is beautiful and he finds moves that a computer just doesn't play. Go ahead try and find your proof. I'm confident that you won't find anything meaningful. Learn how computers play chess before trying to expose a cheat.
24 Dec 04
Originally posted by XanthosNZDon't mind if I ask, but are there any links to these threads? I've definately seen none of them lately, heck, I haven't seen ONE anti-Ironman orientated thread since I've been here. This huge problem of baselessly accusing Ironman doesn't seem to exist, in fact, so far I've seen much of the opposite, so present your links plz and I'll look into it. It's really impossible for me to analyze all his games, so just these links would be nice for starters. Btw, if he does as I suspect, it's not engine cheating per say, he definately doesn't just copy comp moves ala JW, because if he did that, he would lose to other comp users, he's more sophisticated then that.
If you stopped wasting everyone's time posting pointless threads about how much you suck you might have seen the threads that have accused Ironman of cheating in the past. Each time it has been shown that if you look at his games he plays nothing like a computer. His play is beautiful and he finds moves that a computer just doesn't play. Go ahead try and ...[text shortened]... won't find anything meaningful. Learn how computers play chess before trying to expose a cheat.
24 Dec 04
Originally posted by mateuloseWell, a**hole, you are the one who started the war.
And so the war begins, as expected, argh, plz, nobody bring up Ironman posts anymore, there's a religious cult!
Now you whine when you get what you wanted, a**hole.
You start your s**t about how, "I won't say anything, but...." and then you start it.
If you don't want a war, don't start a war, you whining, worthless, sorry excuse for cowardly s**hit.
It is not the responibility of others to wipe your nose or your a**.