Originally posted by SwissGambit Yes, I know. I was just pointing out that a win is not inevitable.
Especially if the two GM's knew about the scam and could see the moves on both boards. Of course you could do that with two computers two, you could even get a higher rating since the best ones are rated in the 3000's.
Originally posted by sonhouse Especially if the two GM's knew about the scam and could see the moves on both boards. Of course you could do that with two computers two, you could even get a higher rating since the best ones are rated in the 3000's.
And the two GMs will know about this scam, because it's so old that it was (according to Weinstein, anyway) once played on Lasker and Capablanca. Anyone who falls for this is simply not paying attention.
I've never done this, but a good way to trick an inexperienced opponent is to place one of his captured pieces behind the clock. Beginners have a bad habit of counting material off the board, and if they think they are a piece up based on the piece count off the table, they sometimes decide to sacrifice an extra piece they don't have.
Originally posted by Shallow Blue And the two GMs will know about this scam, because it's so old that it was (according to Weinstein, anyway) once played on Lasker and Capablanca. Anyone who falls for this is simply not paying attention.
Richard
You could pit a GM on one site against a GM on another site. Unless they thought to check the positions in the games of strong players on other prominent chess sites, how would they find out who they were really playing?
Originally posted by SwissGambit You could pit a GM on one site against a GM on another site. Unless they thought to check the positions in the games of strong players on other prominent chess sites, how would they find out who they were really playing?
That would work (and is probably how the Lasker/Capablanca game was played - it was a correspondence one), but it wouldn't work if you first advertised that you were going to "draw" against two GMs, as Derren Brown had to do. So I still wonder how it's possible that his victims fell for it.
Originally posted by Shallow Blue That would work (and is probably how the Lasker/Capablanca game was played - it was a correspondence one), but it wouldn't work if you first advertised that you were going to "draw" against two GMs, as Derren Brown had to do. So I still wonder how it's possible that his victims fell for it.
Richard
I thought Derren Brown mixed it up a bit by giving a simul against 9 opponents to mask the fact that it was really a 4 v. 4 match with him as the move courier. He played a legitimate game against the weakest of the 9 to alleviate suspicion.
Still, any of the GMs with prior knowledge of this trick had to know it was being used against them. Savvy simul-givers insist on playing white in every game specifically to avoid this trick.