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  1. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    10 Jan '13 01:56 / 1 edit
    http://sourcedorks.blogspot.com/2007/10/how-to-cheat-at-chess.html
  2. 10 Jan '13 02:11
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    http://sourcedorks.blogspot.com/2007/10/how-to-cheat-at-chess.html
    I think you need to coach Darren Brown to up his rates.
  3. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    10 Jan '13 02:17
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    http://sourcedorks.blogspot.com/2007/10/how-to-cheat-at-chess.html
    Mirroring moves, it's an old trick.
  4. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    10 Jan '13 02:31
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    Mirroring moves, it's an old trick.
    It's new to me. Anyway, my memory is probably not good enough for that.
  5. 10 Jan '13 11:14
    Just out of interest, and aside from brilliant minds like Derren Brown who are using this for magic/illusion purposes, why would you even want to cheat at chess? It would take all the enjoyment away from winning and even sometimes losing.
  6. 10 Jan '13 13:34
    Surely someone on here has done the same trick.

    Let's say I play 1.e4 against someone, so he plays 1.e4 against Fat Lady.
    Fat lady plays 1...e6 so he plays 1...e6 v me. I play 2.d4 he plays 2.d4 v Fat Lady.
    And so it goes on. I am infact playing Fat Lady throuh this lad.

    This stunt has been known since the turn of the last century when an old BCM
    mentioned it could happen in a corres game.

    One day when I have more time on my hands and can figure out a good way
    to search for it I'll do a run on my RHP collection.

    I've found a few 'learning from your losses' mirror games, which is not the same
    thing as these games can be seperated by years.

    GovnarSmrti walked in the Blackburne Shilling Trap in 2007. Game 3669286.

    He liked the idea and sprung it himself on drummerman in 2008 Game 5525439
    and pulled off the same trick v smiler2705 in 2009 Game 6900371

    Of course some players need knocked on the head twice before it sinks in.

    Say a big hello to bdh191 to fell for this v Marko Krale in 2006 Game 2014761
    and fell for it again v Indosmart Game 5033505 in 2008.
  7. Subscriber Paul Leggett
    Chess Librarian
    10 Jan '13 14:34
    Originally posted by greenpawn34
    Surely someone on here has done the same trick.

    Let's say I play 1.e4 against someone, so he plays 1.e4 against Fat Lady.
    Fat lady plays 1...e6 so he plays 1...e6 v me. I play 2.d4 he plays 2.d4 v Fat Lady.
    And so it goes on. I am infact playing Fat Lady throuh this lad.

    This stunt has been known since the turn of the last century when an old BCM ...[text shortened]... e in 2006 Game 2014761
    and fell for it again v Indosmart Game 5033505 in 2008.
    I've had people do this to me in tournaments on the site. I will usually stagger how I move in the two games to "unsynch" the timebanks so that the copycat is compelled to move before the stronger player has to.

    If I bother, that is. Sometimes I will have different moves I want to play from a given position, so I will just vary myself.
  8. 10 Jan '13 15:04
    Got any examples - you don't need to give the names Paul.
  9. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    10 Jan '13 17:29
    Originally posted by morgski
    Just out of interest, and aside from brilliant minds like Derren Brown who are using this for magic/illusion purposes, why would you even want to cheat at chess? It would take all the enjoyment away from winning and even sometimes losing.
    I don't want to cheat myself, but some people on here seem to be interested in the subject. So I just looked for something I could contribute. When I saw how he tricked these very good players into thinking he had extraordinary talent, I thought this video might be of some interest to some of you guys.
  10. Standard member Thabtos
    I am become Death
    10 Jan '13 17:33
    I thought this was going to be a biography of some player on RHP.

    I've always thought that this would fail if you were playing one guy and you offer him a draw and he accepts, and the other guy you're playing against with his moves refuses the draw.
  11. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    10 Jan '13 17:35
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I don't want to cheat myself, but some people on here seem to be interested in the subject. So I just looked for something I could contribute. When I saw how he tricked these very good players into thinking he had extraordinary talent, I thought this video might be of some interest to some of you guys.
    Just wondering, you don't happen to have three GIPs against strong players at another site do you?
  12. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    10 Jan '13 17:45
    Originally posted by ChessPraxis
    Just wondering, you don't happen to have three GIPs against strong players at another site do you?
    I don't know what is the meaning of GIPs, so I can't anawer that one.
  13. Standard member ChessPraxis
    Cowboy From Hell
    10 Jan '13 18:03
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    I don't know what is the meaning of GIPs, so I can't anawer that one.
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  14. Standard member SwissGambit
    Caninus Interruptus
    10 Jan '13 18:22
    Originally posted by Thabtos
    I thought this was going to be a biography of some player on RHP.

    I've always thought that this would fail if you were playing one guy and you offer him a draw and he accepts, and the other guy you're playing against with his moves refuses the draw.
    But you're not supposed to offer a draw yourself. You let one of the players do it.
  15. 10 Jan '13 18:36
    What Derren did was more complex than just mirroring, he specifically included one weaker (but still extremely proficient) player in his match ups, and to this day I don't know how he played people against each other. I guess that would only become obvious if we could see the games, but a true illusionist doesn't give away his tricks