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  1. Standard member Arrakis
    D_U_N_E
    14 Feb '08 20:48
    One of the newer ideas for Black in the Sicilian Dragon is to play his Q-bishop to e6. The idea behind this move is that if White takes the bishop with his knight then the pawn on e6 will control the important d5 square and the Black rook will put pressure on White's f3 pawn.

    Here's an actual game between two Grandmasters who went into this line.



    White's last move was Kb1. What should Black play?
  2. 14 Feb '08 20:56
    I'd go for Rac8...intending Rxc3
  3. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    14 Feb '08 21:00 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Arrakis
    One of the newer ideas for Black in the Sicilian Dragon is to play his Q-bishop to e6. The idea behind this move is that if White takes the bishop with his knight then the pawn on e6 will control the important d5 square and the Black rook will put pressure on White's f3 pawn.

    Here's an actual game between two Grandmasters who went into this line.

    [fen ...[text shortened]... 1PP/2N1BP2/PPPQ4/1K1R1B1R[/fen]

    [b] White's last move was Kb1. What should Black play?
    [/b]
    At first glance 1. ... Nc4 to eliminate whites darksquare bishop and after it Rac8 for a possible exchange sacrifice.

    Edit:Never mind this. Just saw the light squared bishop.
  4. Standard member Arrakis
    D_U_N_E
    14 Feb '08 21:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Hells Caretaker
    I'd go for Rac8...intending Rxc3


    If ...Rac8 Nd5! and White is fine. In fact, if Black plays QxQ then White plays Nxe7+ before recapturing the queen.
  5. 14 Feb '08 21:24
    Originally posted by Arrakis
    One of the newer ideas for Black in the Sicilian Dragon is to play his Q-bishop to e6. The idea behind this move is that if White takes the bishop with his knight then the pawn on e6 will control the important d5 square and the Black rook will put pressure on White's f3 pawn.

    Here's an actual game between two Grandmasters who went into this line.

    [fen ...[text shortened]... 1PP/2N1BP2/PPPQ4/1K1R1B1R[/fen]

    [b] White's last move was Kb1. What should Black play?
    [/b]
    I always play Bc4 before O-O-O so if Be6 is any good here then it is easily prevented.
  6. 14 Feb '08 21:25
    er... Nxf3 followed by ... Nxe4.
  7. 14 Feb '08 21:28
    It's not new - perhaps it's a revival. 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Be6 (Fischer-Mednis 1956) Larsen later played Be6 vs. Fischer, but as I recall that was after Bc4.

    In the diagram, I'm guessing it's Nexg4, fxg4 Nxe4, Nxe4 Qxa2+ mates. Typically this sort of sac is used to quickly clear the long diagonal and destroy White's central pawns. But here it's homing in on the stuck defender on c3 (i.e., stuck defending a2).

    A similar sac theme is ...Ne5xf3, Nd4xf3 Nf6xe4 or Bxg4.
  8. 14 Feb '08 21:32 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    At first glance 1. ... Nc4 to eliminate whites darksquare bishop and after it Rac8 for a possible exchange sacrifice.

    Edit:Never mind this. Just saw the light squared bishop.
    ...Nc4 is fine as well as ...Bc4 for example

    if 1...Nc4 2.Bxc4 Bxc4 3.Nd5? Qxa2+ or 1...Bc4 Bxc4(Nd5? and you know what happens) Nxc4 and now the discovered attack is not a problem because the knight protects the queen.


    EDIT: the best moves are shown in a post before mine though.
  9. 14 Feb '08 21:35 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by DawgHaus
    It's not new - perhaps it's a revival. 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 g6 6. Be3 Bg7 7. f3 O-O 8. Qd2 Be6 (Fischer-Mednis 1956) Larsen later played Be6 vs. Fischer, but as I recall that was after Bc4.

    In the diagram, I'm guessing it's Nexg4, fxg4 Nxe4, Nxe4 Qxa2+ mates. Typically this sort of sac is used to quickly clear the long diag c3 (i.e., stuck defending a2).

    A similar sac theme is ...Ne5xf3, Nd4xf3 Nf6xe4 or Bxg4.
    The only problem with Nxg4 is that white doesn't have to accept the knight he can just play the planned Nd5...where as Nxf3 attacks the queen so forces a response and causes havoc.
  10. 14 Feb '08 21:37 / 2 edits
    Fossan vs. Chris Ward

    12.........Nxf3
    13. Nxf3...Nxe4
    14. Qd3...Nxc3+
    15. bxc3...Bxc3
    0-1
  11. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    14 Feb '08 21:47
    Originally posted by tomtom232
    ...Nc4 is fine as well as ...Bc4 for example

    if 1...Nc4 2.Bxc4 Bxc4 3.Nd5? Qxa2+ or 1...Bc4 Bxc4(Nd5? and you know what happens) Nxc4 and now the discovered attack is not a problem because the knight protects the queen.


    EDIT: the best moves are shown in a post before mine though.
    Oh I see it now. And Ice Cold's line seems to work too.
  12. 14 Feb '08 22:02
    Originally posted by adam warlock
    Oh I see it now. And Ice Cold's line seems to work too.
    Yep the same idea was given by Nimzofish in two posts before mine...I put the move Nxf3 down but thought I would give him credit since he got it in before me so I edited it out.
  13. 14 Feb '08 22:02
    tomtom: True, Nxf3 is more forcing and better. If Nxg4, Nd5 Qxd2, Nxe7+ Kh8, Rxd2 (Bxd2? Nf2) Nxe3, Bd3 and I wonder if the Ne3 can be saved. I don't have a board with me so this is starting to get murky...
  14. Standard member Arrakis
    D_U_N_E
    14 Feb '08 22:03
    Originally posted by Ice Cold
    Fossan vs. Chris Ward

    12.........Nxf3
    13. Nxf3...Nxe4
    14. Qd3...Nxc3+
    15. bxc3...Bxc3
    0-1


    Fossan vs. Chris Ward

    12.........Nxf3!!
    13. Nxf3...Nxe4
    14. Qd3...Nxc3+
    15. bxc3...Bxc3

    Correct, and if
    16. Qb5 Qxa2+
    17. Kc1 Qa3+!
    18. Kb1 Qa1 MATE!

    Zimzofish posted part of the solution above.
  15. 15 Feb '08 00:20
    nxf3 and nxe4 ><

    Regardless, Tomtom seems to know the dragon better than me in practice