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I need some more help. Break down please?

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Finished this game a few days ago and would like some advise in general, and specifics if you all do not mind. Thanks!

I played white 1279 vs black 1557. There are some big mistakes made on both parts, I just would like to see some mistakes that we didn't catch!

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1.e4c5
2.Nb1c3d6
3.Ng1f3Ng8f6
4.d4cxd4
5.Qd1xd4Nb8c6
6.Bf1b5Bc8d7
7.Bb5xc6bxc6
8.e5dxe5
9.Nf3xe5g6
10.Bc1g5Bf8g7
11.Qd4c4O-O
12.Ra1d1Nf6d5
13.Nc3xd5cxd5
14.Qc4xd5Bg7xe5
15.Qd5xe5f6
16.Bg5xf6exf6
17.Qe5d5Rf8f7
18.O-OQd8c7
19.Rf1e1Bd7c6
20.Qd5d6Qc7xd6
21.Rd1xd6Ra8e8
22.Re1xe8Bc6xe8
23.c4Rf7e7
24.Kg1f1a5
25.Rd6xf6a4
26.Rf6b6Kg8g7
27.b4axb3
28.axb3Re7c7
29.Kf1e2Kg7h6
30.Ke2d3Kh6g5
31.Kd3d4Rc7f7
32.c5Rf7xf2
33.c6Be8xc6
34.Rb6xc6Rf2xg2
35.b4Rg2xh2
36.b5Rh2b2
37.b6h5
38.Kd4c5h4
39.Rc6d6Kg5h5
40.Kc5c6h3
41.b7g5
42.Kc6c7g4
43.Rd6b6Rb2xb6
44.Kc7xb6Kh5h4
45.b8=Qg3
46.Qb8f4Kh4h5
47.Qf4xg3

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      1.e4c5
      2.Nb1c3d6
      3.Ng1f3Ng8f6
      4.d4cxd4
      5.Qd1xd4Nb8c6
      6.Bf1b5Bc8d7
      7.Bb5xc6bxc6
      8.e5dxe5
      9.Nf3xe5g6
      10.Bc1g5Bf8g7

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          I have not time to do an in depth analysis but from here:
          11. NxB

          11. ... NxB is not possible because of QxN and black's game is over.

          If 11. ... QxB 12. QxQ NxQ followed by 0-0, and white has a comfortable game.
          I would like to play 0-0-0 but the game would be abit more interesting because of the open b file for black.

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          Nice game for you. He might could have won (see #7 below). In any case, it was a nice win for you. The value of tempo and a pawn.

          Some comments:

          1. You lost a piece (for two pawns) in the late opening. Usually not a good thing. Not sure the options to avoid that. Also, not familiar with that line of Sicilian (I noticed you did 3.Nc3 instead of the conventional 3.Nf3). Later, 10.Bf4 might have been better than the 10.Bg5 you did -- might have prevented you losing the piece.

          Just a weird variation of the Sicilian to me overall but I don't know openings like one should. Normally, it may be better (not always but mostly) on move 5 to take the d4 pawn with 5. Nxd4 instead of 5. Qxd4.

          2. But you did use your extra two pawns effectively in applying pressure by pushing them in my opinion.

          3. You had some balls to trade Qs being a piece down, but then again you had the extra two pawns.

          4. Of course he did sac his B to get one of your extra pawns. And thus overall, you ended up a pawn up.

          5. But then you let your f-h pawns go which I may understand, but kind of risky and also you may have could have forced him to spend a couple of extra crucial moves to get your king-side pawns (see #6 below).

          6. On move 32, I would have 32.f3 (not 32.c5 you did). I know you liked the tempo of pushing the pawn to c5 (I always like pushing the passed pawn), but I think I would have instead 32.f3 (instead of 32.c5) to force him to spend a couple extra moves to get to your king-side pawns.

          7. At first glance, I believe he should have 39 . . . h3 (instead of 39 . . . Kh5). He should have spent two immediate moves to get his h-pawn to h2. (Again, I always like advancing a passed pawn - can apply incredible pressure).

          That would have forced your Rd1 to stop him queening at h1.

          The game would have been a different flavor, and you couldn't have interposed with your R his check of your K with his R, for example.

          Anyway, he then uses his tempo gain of your Rd1 move to advance his K to support his advanced h-pawn (leaving his g-pawn where it was at g6). (In this position it seemed like a waste of tempo for him to advance his g-pawn.)

          A possible line:

          39 . . . . h3!
          40. Kc6 h2
          41. Rd1 Kg4
          42. b7 Kg3
          43. Kc7 Kg2
          44. c8 Rxc8
          45. Kxc8 h1
          46. Rxh1 Kxh1

          An obvious win for him. He has the only remaining pawn, and King position with his K at the queening square and your K on the other side of the board. No chance of a draw for you.

          Of course, you may could have deviated in the above line.

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          Originally posted by Tiwaking
          I miss descriptive notation. I noticed you used it.

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          Originally posted by moon1969
          I miss descriptive notation. I noticed you used it.
          I grew up with the Fischer vs Spassky World Championship book which was in descriptive notation and I get abit muddled up with algebraic notation.

          Although the opening variation was unusual, I thought it was pretty interesting.

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          Originally posted by Tiwaking
          Although the opening variation was unusual, I thought it was pretty interesting.
          Agreed that the opening was interesting. I don't know if it is good, bad, or neutral, and for which side. But interesting. I wondered if they followed a book line.

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          first of all congratulations for a well played game, i've watched many games from players around 1300 and this one has clearly less blunders than what i expected. I'd say it's more you who played above your rating 1600 than him playing under his.

          Your opening is ok, many people would criticize you choice of 5.Qxd4 instead of the usual Nxd4 but actually perfectly playable. Move 7 i would have retreated my queen (to d3 for example), since on principle bishops are a bit superior to knights especially in open positions like these, but that's not really a mistake, just a general strategic consideration.
          Then you play energetically (8.e5!) and get a good position by move 12 with pressure on the d file, forcing him to enter complications with Nd5.

          then you make your 1st big mistake : 16.Bxf6?, forgetting that it will open the 7th rank so his rook defends the d7 bishop when parrying the check.
          The kind of oversight that easily happens OTB even to good players.
          But even if there wasn't this tactical flaw, it's dubious on general principles to lose a time to snatch a pawn in such a tense and open position (especially with your king not castled yet). just let him lose time (and get a bad pawn structure) capturing your knight :
          you should have played simple 16.Qd5+ directly. For example : 16...e6 17.Qxd7 Qxd7 18.Rxd7 fxg5 19.00 would have given you an excellent game.

          After that mistake you still get 3 pawns vs 1 on the queenside but he is a bishop up, and since your pawns aren't advanced, his piece up gives him the advantage (but not a very big one, your pawns are dangerous)
          then apart from a mutual oversight (see game notes), he gradually loses the thread, especially when uselessly leaving his f6 pawn en prise, and you play good, sensible chess, activating your pawn majority and bringing your king to the center. (no time for the endgame now! might come back to it later, although i'm not sure i like your decision to leave him take your 3 pawns to advance your pawn, i have to take a closer look)

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          1.e4c5
          2.Nb1c3d6
          3.Ng1f3Ng8f6
          4.d4cxd4
          5.Qd1xd4Nb8c6
          6.Bf1b5Bc8d7
          7.Bb5xc6bxc6
          8.e5dxe5
          9.Nf3xe5g6
          10.Bc1g5Bf8g7
          11.Qd4c4O-O
          12.Ra1d1Nf6d5
          13.Nc3xd5cxd5
          14.Qc4xd5Bg7xe5
          15.Qd5xe5f6
          16.Bg5xf6exf6
          17.Qe5d5Rf8f7
          18.O-OQd8c7
          19.Rf1e1Bd7c6
          20.Qd5d6Qc7xd6
          21.Rd1xd6Ra8e8
          22.Re1xe8Bc6xe8
          23.c4Rf7e7
          24.Kg1f1a5
          25.Rd6xf6a4
          26.Rf6b6Kg8g7
          27.b4axb3
          28.axb3Re7c7
          29.Kf1e2Kg7h6
          30.Ke2d3Kh6g5
          31.Kd3d4Rc7f7
          32.c5Rf7xf2
          33.c6Be8xc6
          34.Rb6xc6Rf2xg2
          35.b4Rg2xh2
          36.b5Rh2b2
          37.b6h5
          38.Kd4c5h4
          39.Rc6d6Kg5h5
          40.Kc5c6h3
          41.b7g5
          42.Kc6c7g4
          43.Rd6b6Rb2xb6
          44.Kc7xb6Kh5h4
          45.b8=Qg3
          46.Qb8f4Kh4h5
          47.Qf4xg3

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              Originally posted by moon1969
              Nice game for you. He might could have won (see #7 below). In any case, it was a nice win for you. The value of tempo and a pawn.

              Some comments:

              1. You lost a piece (for two pawns) in the late opening. Usually not a good thing. Not sure the options to avoid that. Also, not familiar with that line of Sicilian (I noticed you did 3.Nc3 instead of ...[text shortened]... rd. No chance of a draw for you.

              Of course, you may could have deviated in the above line.
              crossing of post! didn't read yours while i was typing mine...but we seem to agree (and i think you're right about the endgame which i didn't have time to cover!)

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              Originally posted by shorbock
              crossing of post! didn't read yours while i was typing mine...but we seem to agree (and i think you're right about the endgame which i didn't have time to cover!)
              I like your comments.

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              Originally posted by shorbock
              first of all congratulations for a well played game, i've watched many games from players around 1300 and this one has clearly less blunders than what i expected. I'd say it's more you who played above your rating 1600 than him playing under his.

              Your opening is ok, many people would criticize you choice of 5.Qxd4 instead of the usual Nxd4 but actually p ...[text shortened]... b6 Kh5h4 45. b8=Q g3 46. Qb8f4 Kh4h5 47. Qf4xg3 1-0[/pgn]
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              I like 5. Qxd5, and play similar lines meselfs. 🙂

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              Originally posted by ChessPraxis
              I like 5. Qxd5, and play similar lines meselfs. 🙂
              I am thinking you meant Qxd4 (not Qxd5).

              Anyway, I kind of like doing Qxd4 as white against the hyper-accelerated dragon of the Sicilian.

              Seems to throw some hypers off their game. Though not really in this game below (in progress) against a 2245 rated player I am playing where I did Qxd4 against his hyper-accelerated dragon.

              Game 8067664

              A downside I think for Qxd4 in more conventional Sicilian lines is that it gives black opportunity to develop pieces and at the same time attack white's queen, and thus black gains tempo.

              Kind of the traditional reason in general not to develop a Q early (especially not early to the center of the board).

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              Originally posted by moon1969
              I am thinking you meant Qxd4 (not Qxd5).

              Anyway, I kind of like doing Qxd4 as white against the hyper-accelerated dragon of the Sicilian.

              Seems to throw some hypers off their game. Though not really in this game below (in progress) against a 2245 rated player I am playing where I did Qxd4 against his hyper-accelerated dragon.

              Game 8067664 ...[text shortened]... l reason in general not to develop a Q early (especially not early to the center of the board).
              I think I know what I meant....oh wait, quite right sir d4. 😞

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