I wanted your opinions.....

How strong would you say the play on both sides is in these three game fragments?

FRAGMENT #1

1. Pe4 Pe5
2. Ktf3 Ktc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. Pd3 Ktf6
5. Ph3 Pd6
6. Bb5 Pa6
7. Ktc3 Kg8
9. Be3 BxB
10. PxB Ph6
11. Qd2 Qe7
12. Rd1 Be6
13. Kc1 aRd8
14. Pg4 Pd5
15. PxP KtXP
16. KtxKt BxKT
17 BxKt

FRAGMENT #2

1. Pe4 Pe5
2. Ktf3 Ktc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. Pc3 Qe7
5. Pd3 Ph6
6. Be3 Bb6
7. Pa3 Pd6
8. Ph3 Be6
9. bKtd2 Ktf6
10. Rc1 Rf8
11. Rf1 Kg8
12. Kg1 Pd5
13. PxP BxP
14. BxB (d5) KtxB
15. BxB aPxB
16. Re1 Ktf4
17. Qc2 Qd6
18. Re3 Rd8
19. Ktc4 Qg6
20. Kte1 Pb5
21. KtxeP KtxKt
22. RxKt KtxP +
23. Kf1 Ktf4
24. Re3

FRAGMENT #3

1. Pc3 Pc5
2. Ktc3 Pe6
3. Pe4 Ktc6
4. Pf4 Pd6
5.Ktf3 Bd7
6. Pd3 Rc8
7. Be2 Kc7
8. Rf1 Kb8
9. Kg1 Pg6
10. Bd2 Bg7
11. Pa3 Ktd4
12. Pb4 Ka8
13. Pb5 Ph6
14. Pa4 KtxKt +
15. BxKt Bd4+
16. Kh1 Pe5
17. Ra2 Kte7
18. Pa5 BxKt
19. BxB Pf6
20. PxP PxP
21. Bg4 BxB
22. QxB hRf8
23. R(a2)f2 RxR
24. RxR Qg8
25. Qd7 Qd8



Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

lmao!!!

Originally posted by Gioachino Greco
How strong would you say the play on both sides is in these three game fragments?

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

I think posting your games in PGN will give you more answers.

Yep. Noone is going to sit and put all those games into PGN for you. We will help, not be your slaves.

Originally posted by Kings Indian FTW
Yep. Noone is going to sit and put all those games into PGN for you. We will help, not be your slaves.

As you may have gathered, I am very new to computer-assisted chess, and am used to simple algebraic format. I was unaware that you wanted them in PGN, and don't know how to put them into it. In fact, until very recently I was unaware of what pgn format WAS, much less how to convert it.

These games are three extremely early pieces of game analysis--dating from around 1497. I was curious if anyone was interested in giving their own modern analysis of the old lines.

My apologies if I've offended you, though I think accusing me of trying to "enslave" you is a bit extreme. I'm just a guy interested in all of your comments on the matter. 😉

Originally posted by Gioachino Greco
My apologies if I've offended you

Im afraid you just took it too far, your comments were out of line

😛

Don't worry. King's Indian FTW was quite rude to me too when I asked for help. But I think that you definitely want to improve, so I'll go through the first fragment (but just remember, I'm by no means the strongest player on RHP).

Originally posted by Alethia
Don't worry. King's Indian FTW was quite rude to me too when I asked for help. But I think that you definitely want to improve, so I'll go through the first fragment (but just remember, I'm by no means the strongest player on RHP).

Thanks. It's not so much improvement I'm after as sheer analysis--researching historical chess has long been a hobby of mine.

Originally posted by mazziewag
Im afraid you just took it too far, your comments were out of line

😛

I suspected as much. Next time I will stick to noncontroversial topics like religion and politics, and leave chess notation alone.

Originally posted by Gioachino Greco
I suspected as much. Next time I will stick to noncontroversial topics like religion and politics, and leave chess notation alone.

Now that was NOT sarcastic! 😀

Are you sure you have written it down correctly? Black never takes the Bishop on b5 with the a-pawn, and on move 13, you say the King moves to c1, when the move before, you said a Rook moved to d1.
BTW, a Knight is not shown as Kt, but N. Can you check that for me please?

Originally posted by kbaumen
Now that was NOT sarcastic!

You DON'T say! Hi, kbaumen.

Originally posted by Alethia
You DON'T say! Hi, kbaumen.

Hi hi.