I wanted your opinions.....

I love your puzzle book thread! Way better than any I could come up with.

Originally posted by Alethia
Are you sure you have written it down correctly? Black never takes the Bishop on b5 with the a-pawn, and on move 13, you say the King moves to c1, when the move before, you said a Rook moved to d1.
BTW, a Knight is not shown as Kt, but N. Can you check that for me please?

Certainly...I can understand that there are a few causes of confusion.

The scores were published from Murray's "History of Chess" from 1913, so that would be the reason for the notation difficulties.

I forgot to mention that castling took two moves in the early Renaissance period, not one. So you would move your rook first and then your king, or vice-versa. This would cause a couple of the moves, such as the ones you describe, to look a bit weird.



It appears I made a mistake transcribing the first game score. It should be:

FRAGMENT #1

1. Pe4 Pe5
2. Ktf3 Ktc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. Pd3 Ktf6
5. Ph3 Pd6
6. Bb5 Pa6
7. Ba4 Rf8
8. Ktc3 Kg8
9. Be3 BxB
10. PxB Ph6
11. Qd2 Qe7
12. Rd1 Be6
13. Kc1 aRd8
14. Pg4 Pd5
15. PxP KtXP
16. KtxKt BxKT
17 BxKt

Sorry about that.

Not at all.

Originally posted by Gioachino Greco
Certainly...I can understand that there are a few causes of confusion.

The scores were published from Murray's "History of Chess" from 1913, so that would be the reason for the notation difficulties.

I forgot to mention that castling took two moves in the early Renaissance period, not one. So you would move your rook first and then your king, ...[text shortened]... 1 Be6
13. Kc1 aRd8
14. Pg4 Pd5
15. PxP KtXP
16. KtxKt BxKT
17 BxKt

Sorry about that.

White is better although they both played good

Originally posted by Kings Indian FTW
White is better although they both played good

Nice, I like to see complete analysis like that.

😞


As a general note for anybody that's going to comment on games - saying something like "white is better" isn't helpful, explain why white is better, this way, if you're wrong, somebody can correct you and explain why you're wrong.

Originally posted by cmsMaster
Nice, I like to see complete analysis like that.

😞


As a general note for anybody that's going to comment on games - saying something like "white is better" isn't helpful, explain why white is better, this way, if you're wrong, somebody can correct you and explain why you're wrong.

Yeah I disagreed with him

I thought it was unclear 🙄

regular algebraic notation: source square-destination square
i.e. 1.e2-e4 e7-e5 can be read by PGN

short algebraic notation: Piece(source)destination
i.e. 1.e4 e5 (note pawn moves don't get a prefix)
2.Nd2 d5 3.Ngf3 .. (B=bishop K=king N= knight R=rook Q=queen )
can be read as pgn.

any move that is illegal will cut off a pgn at that point, as will an unclear move (such as 3.Nf3 in the example above)
pawns are promoted to queens by default unless specified by =B =R or =N denoting captures and checks is not mandatory.

i recommend using a chess program to play out the moves and most programs have an option to copy the game to clipboard, this will automatically be in PGN notation.(oh and you may mix and match notations)

in fragment #3


1. Pc3 Pc5
2. Ktc3

is impossible

Originally posted by ChessJester
in fragment #3


1. Pc3 Pc5
2. Ktc3

is impossible

Thanks. It occurs to me that I should have triple-checked these before posting them. Again, my apologies.

It should read

1. Pc4 Pc5....and then continues Ktc3

Originally posted by Kings Indian FTW
White is better although they both played good

Thank you. How strong would you estimate they would be today, Elo-wise? I realize that three games aren't sufficient to form a good idea, but perhaps a ballpark estimate is possible?

Originally posted by Gioachino Greco
Thanks. It occurs to me that I should have triple-checked these before posting them. Again, my apologies.

It should read

1. Pc4 Pc5....and then continues Ktc3

I suggest downloading chessbase light (free) and playing the game through in there. That can then generate a pgn for you which the rest of us will easily be able to use with our various programs.

Originally posted by zebano
I suggest downloading chessbase light (free) and playing the game through in there. That can then generate a pgn for you which the rest of us will easily be able to use with our various programs.

I don't think this is possible if he is posting games played by different rules (renaissance period chess) - two moves to Castle etc.

In the fragment 1 given above I prefer Black after 17..Bc6: who threatens 18..e4 and the pinned N on f3.

18. e4 fails to Be4:

Originally posted by Mister Meaner
I don't think this is possible if he is posting games played by different rules (renaissance period chess) - two moves to Castle etc.

In the fragment 1 given above I prefer Black after 17..Bc6: who threatens 18..e4 and the pinned N on f3.

18. e4 fails to Be4:

[fen]3r1rk1/1pp1qpp1/p1B4p/3bp3/6P1/3PPN1P/PPPQ4/2KR3R[/fen]

Thanks.

What do you think of the other two fragments?

Originally posted by Gioachino Greco
How strong would you say the play on both sides is in these three game fragments?

FRAGMENT #1

1. Pe4 Pe5
2. Ktf3 Ktc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. Pd3 Ktf6
5. Ph3 Pd6
6. Bb5 Pa6
7. Ktc3 Kg8
9. Be3 BxB
10. PxB Ph6
11. Qd2 Qe7
12. Rd1 Be6
13. Kc1 aRd8
14. Pg4 Pd5
15. PxP KtXP
16. KtxKt BxKT
17 BxKt

FRAGMENT #2

1. Pe4 Pe5
2. Ktf3 Ktc6
3. B ...[text shortened]... xB hRf8
23. R(a2)f2 RxR
24. RxR Qg8
25. Qd7 Qd8



Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.

why analyze a game from the 15th century? Especially when the rules are different?

can't we just analyze a game of checkers?

Originally posted by Gioachino Greco
As you may have gathered, I am very new to computer-assisted chess, and am used to simple algebraic format. I was unaware that you wanted them in PGN, and don't know how to put them into it. In fact, until very recently I was unaware of what pgn format WAS, much less how to convert it.

These games are three extremely early pieces of game analysis- ...[text shortened]... " you is a bit extreme. I'm just a guy interested in all of your comments on the matter. 😉

Download this program...

http://www.wmlsoftware.com/chesspad.html

Play the games through on it and export the PGN when you're finished. 😉