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  1. 23 Jan '06 14:24
  2. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    23 Jan '06 15:28
    Originally posted by Sicilian Smaug
    1 e4 e5
    2 Nf3 d6 is Philador's Defense. Not sure if the following moves have a certain variation name.
    3 d4 is considered as the main continuation in the Philador's, so the Bc4 Qf6 seems to already be out of book.
  3. 23 Jan '06 15:40
    d4 is played more often, but after Bc4 Qf6 I found this line (so it's not really out of book ):

    1.e2-e4 e7-e5 2.Ng1-f3 d7-d6 3.Bf1-c4 Qd8-f6 4.d2-d3 Bc8-g4 5.Nb1-d2 Nb8-c6 6.c2-c3 Ng8-e7 7.h2-h3 Bg4-d7 8.b2-b4 Ne7-g6
  4. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    23 Jan '06 15:52
    Originally posted by Testrider
    d4 is played more often, but after Bc4 Qf6 I found this line (so it's not really out of book ):

    1.e2-e4 e7-e5 2.Ng1-f3 d7-d6 3.Bf1-c4 Qd8-f6 4.d2-d3 Bc8-g4 5.Nb1-d2 Nb8-c6 6.c2-c3 Ng8-e7 7.h2-h3 Bg4-d7 8.b2-b4 Ne7-g6
    Really!?

    Where did you find this? And is this a modern line? My main reference for openings currently is MCO 12 + 1982 edition of BCO + 1999 edition of NCO... lol...

    And here I thought the Bc4 Qf6 was an aberration... I assumed you wouldn't see this too often since move 3 is a bit early to bring out the Q.
  5. Standard member Trains44
    Full speed locomotiv
    23 Jan '06 17:13
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Really!?

    Where did you find this? And is this a modern line? My main reference for openings currently is MCO 12 + 1982 edition of BCO + 1999 edition of NCO... lol...

    And here I thought the Bc4 Qf6 was an aberration... I assumed you wouldn't see this too often since move 3 is a bit early to bring out the Q.
    Verrry impressive Suzianne!!! Veeery impressive!
  6. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    23 Jan '06 17:58
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Really!?

    Where did you find this? And is this a modern line? My main reference for openings currently is MCO 12 + 1982 edition of BCO + 1999 edition of NCO... lol...

    And here I thought the Bc4 Qf6 was an aberration... I assumed you wouldn't see this too often since move 3 is a bit early to bring out the Q.
    MCO 14 gives a column to 3. Bc4 the column continues 3. ... Bd7, but footnote (x) reads "Other choices are 3. ... Nd7, 3. ... Qf6, 3. ... Bg4, 3. ... Be6, and 3. ... Nc6" with no further discussion.
  7. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    23 Jan '06 22:38
    Originally posted by TRAINS44
    Verrry impressive Suzianne!!! Veeery impressive!
    ok, ok... hehe...

    My main point was that my reference material is a bit behind the times... lol...
  8. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    23 Jan '06 22:48
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    MCO 14 gives a column to 3. Bc4 the column continues 3. ... Bd7, but footnote (x) reads "Other choices are 3. ... Nd7, 3. ... Qf6, 3. ... Bg4, 3. ... Be6, and 3. ... Nc6" with no further discussion.
    aaaah, thank you...

    That is pretty much what I was looking for. My MCO only gives 4 columns for the Philador's... 3 ... Nf6, 3 ... Nd7, 3 ... ed4 and 3 ... f4, all of these as responses to 3 d4. Even my NCO recommends 3 ... Be7 after 3 Bc4, without a column for Bc4.

    Time to invest in the newest MCO, methinks.
  9. Standard member XanthosNZ
    Cancerous Bus Crash
    23 Jan '06 22:49
    3. ... Qf6 has been played twice by GMs in the last five years. The games proceeded 4. Nc3 (black win) and 4. d4 (draw).

    4. 0-0 has been played once in my database, during an under 12 girls tournament in 2001. The game proceeded 4. ... Ne7 5.Nc3 Nbc6 6.Nd5 Qf4 7.Nxf4 1-0