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  1. Standard member anthias
    ambitious player
    12 Jan '07 14:35 / 1 edit
    Today I played against a friend of mine OTB and reached this position



    I am white. I am a pawn up, so I thought I was better here. So I played Qxc6. Is this move OK? I don't know if I made the right choice.

    Edit: I lost the game because of a blunder...
  2. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    12 Jan '07 14:38 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by anthias
    Today I played against a friend of mine OTB and reached this position

    [fen]1r1k1r2/1bp1bBpn/p1np4/4p2p/Q2PP1q1/2P1BN2/P2N1PPP/1R2R1K1 w - - 0 19[/fen]

    I am white. I am a pawn up, so I thought I was better here. So I played Qxc6. Is this move OK? I don't know if I made the right choice.

    Edit: I lost the game because of a blunder...
    I would have considered d5 ..N(somewhere), Be6 threatening the Black Queen and threatening mate on d7.

    Edit: Black could try a different line.

    d5 ..Rxf7
    dxc6 and the white bishop is pinned...

    EDIT2: In fact you could also try

    Rxb7 ..Rxb7
    Qxc6 ..Rb8
    Nxe5 dxe5
    Bd6

    There are so many ways to win here it's silly! Nice position
  3. 12 Jan '07 14:52
    I would of pulled the bishop back to d5 and you should win the exchange.
  4. 12 Jan '07 14:53
    Originally posted by anthias
    Today I played against a friend of mine OTB and reached this position

    [fen]1r1k1r2/1bp1bBpn/p1np4/4p2p/Q2PP1q1/2P1BN2/P2N1PPP/1R2R1K1 w - - 0 19[/fen]

    I am white. I am a pawn up, so I thought I was better here. So I played Qxc6. Is this move OK? I don't know if I made the right choice.

    Edit: I lost the game because of a blunder...
    Qxc6 is a very good move congratulations on playing it Qxc6 Bxc6 Rxb8+ Kd7 Rxf8 Bxf8(Or Nxf8) h3 and his queen is trapped a tactic I would have been proud to see in a OTB game.
  5. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    12 Jan '07 14:58 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by omulcusobolani
    Qxc6 is a very good move congratulations on playing it Qxc6 Bxc6 Rxb8+ Kd7 Rxf8 Bxf8(Or Nxf8) h3 and his queen is trapped a tactic I would have been proud to see in a OTB game.
    The Queen can go to d7...

    EDIT: No it can't!
  6. Standard member anthias
    ambitious player
    12 Jan '07 15:24
    Except I didn't see h3. I just played Qxc6 intuitively
  7. 12 Jan '07 15:37 / 1 edit
    both d5 and qxc6 win. even Bd5 wins. Be6 should also win, although not so easily. so its just a matter of taste. personally i would play d5
  8. 12 Jan '07 15:53
    Originally posted by anthias
    Except I didn't see h3. I just played Qxc6 intuitively
    ah, the speculative sacrifice approach. that's exactly the reason my club captain hates me.

    i agree with the first reply, d5 is best and wins.
  9. Subscriber Marinkatomb
    wotagr8game
    12 Jan '07 15:56
    Originally posted by Jusuh
    both d5 and qxc6 win. even Bd5 wins. Be6 should also win, although not so easily. so its just a matter of taste. personally i would play d5
    Rxb7 also wins..
  10. 12 Jan '07 17:00 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by omulcusobolani
    Qxc6 is a very good move congratulations on playing it Qxc6 Bxc6 Rxb8+ Kd7 Rxf8 Bxf8(Or Nxf8) h3 and his queen is trapped a tactic I would have been proud to see in a OTB game.
    I often wonder what you great players see when you look at the board.

    My otb rating is 1422. I wouldnt have seen that unless I wouldve played through the sequence as natural moves.

    Did you sit down and work that out? Or can you look and just see it?
  11. 12 Jan '07 17:37
    Originally posted by Wayne1324
    I often wonder what you great players see when you look at the board.

    My otb rating is 1422. I wouldnt have seen that unless I wouldve played through the sequence as natural moves.

    Did you sit down and work that out? Or can you look and just see it?
    I'm by no means great, and no I probably wouldn't have seen it in a OTB game, the position is easily winning and I'd play d5 or some of the other moves that I don't need to calculate to realize it's winning, I'm quite lazy in winning positions however anthias asked if Qxc6 was good so I decided to look at it I saw that this would sac the queen for rook and knight, which might be good or it might not, in the given position without winning the queen with h6 it isn't very good because there are much easier ways to win so if there are no tactics after the forcing exchanges the queen sac isn't good.I found h6 by setting up the position and moving pieces around.
  12. 12 Jan '07 17:37
    Originally posted by anthias
    Except I didn't see h3. I just played Qxc6 intuitively
    I'm not the best tactical calculations player in the world - my brain just isn't made for it, but I often sacrifice based on intuition and some calculations, especially if I see lots of complications are bound to arise.

    You should be happy that you found that tactic, even if you didn't see the whole thing!
  13. 12 Jan '07 18:12
    Originally posted by omulcusobolani
    I'm by no means great, and no I probably wouldn't have seen it in a OTB game, the position is easily winning and I'd play d5 or some of the other moves that I don't need to calculate to realize it's winning, I'm quite lazy in winning positions however anthias asked if Qxc6 was good so I decided to look at it I saw that this would sac the queen for roo ...[text shortened]... the queen sac isn't good.I found h6 by setting up the position and moving pieces around.
    Cool! Thanks for the answer!
  14. Standard member anthias
    ambitious player
    12 Jan '07 18:53 / 1 edit
    I just thought that "If only that Bishop wasn't there" and looked for a way to remove that Bishop.

    Also, after Qxc6 Bxc6 Rxb8ch Kd7 RxR NxR I played Rb1?? and resigned after a few more moves...