Originally posted by greenpawn34Not a strong player but I'm with the oddly colored pawn here.
The reason a few of you cannot fathom out this game is because
it's not a very good game to study. It's entertaining and has
a tactical trick or two but it is a blitz game.
The players are playing by instinct and not analysis.
It's a scrappy affair with some clever tactics by Kasparov.
Nothing more and useless from an instructive point of view
b ...[text shortened]... have written (out in Ocotber - have I mentioned this before?).
Also agree about actually making the moves on a real board.Haven't read Zebra's but found out on my own that when you actually make the moves things are more clear and stick better.In this database age many (most?) players click through games instead of playing over games.It just does not have the same impact.I can't explain it,maybe I should read Zebra's,I guess it's some sort of hand-brain coordination thing.
Here's one of my favourite games.Spassky sacs 2 exchanges for a central pawnroller.A true masterpiece,imo.
Originally posted by greenpawn34Thanks for the tip. 🙂
Highlight the game and copy it , then pasted it in between
those pgn markers. (pgn)game here (/pgn)
Thus:
(pgn)
1.c4 g6 2.e4 Bg7 3.d4 d6 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Nf3 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.Be3 Ng4 8.Bg5 f6 9.Bh4 g5 10.Bg3 Nh6 11.h3 Nc6 12.d5 Nd4 13.Nxd4 exd4 14.Qxd4 f5 15.Qd2 f4 16.Bh2 Nf7 17.h4 h6 18.hxg5 hxg5 19.g3 f3 20.Bxf3 Ne5 21.Be2 g4 22.Bg1 c5 23.dxc6 bxc6 24.0 ...[text shortened]... Kg8 39.Qxg4 Qxb1(/pgn)
To get it to work changed the () round brackets to [] square brackets.
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Originally posted by greenpawn34Well my green friend, I would certainly suggest that you are more qualified to judge such a game with an absolute opinion than I and you are certainly entitled to challenge the idea that the game is a masterpiece. But…. Rapid, blitz, 3hour time controls, the game is quite exceptional. The early pawn sacs alone display an element of Kasparov’s style that is so complex it sets him apart from what we consider to be the norm.
The reason a few of you cannot fathom out this game is because
it's not a very good game to study. It's entertaining and has
a tactical trick or two but it is a blitz game.
The players are playing by instinct and not analysis.
It's a scrappy affair with some clever tactics by Kasparov.
Nothing more and useless from an instructive point of view
b ...[text shortened]... have written (out in Ocotber - have I mentioned this before?).
The norm that is regarding all the dogmatic rules we drum in to ourselves, rules that no matter how hard we try to avoid, we just can’t.
That’s another part of the Rowson book I found fascinating, where he talks about unlearning all the drivel we’re force fed in lots of the literature we read.
Concrete variations and rule independence seem to be the way that Kasparov tackled chess and I just thought the game displayed that very nicely.
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I would certainly suggest that you are more qualified to judge such a game.....
Not at all. I just a chess player like you....
I perhaps have more experience in what is and what is not a good
game to study with the hope of gaining benfit.
This Kasparov game is not a good game to study in depth for reason listed
in another post.
Rather than leave it at that I offered an alternative.
I showed you a game played in 1978 that I pulled to pieces.
I then showed you a game of mine from 1980.
You can see the obvious influence the first game had on me.
Ba6 to gain time to bring the Rook across.
And it was not just the 1980 game that it fuelled.
I owe that one game quite a lot.
Just giving you the benefit of my experience.
You said you could not understand it (so did others).
There was nothing to learn there that you could not pick up
with more clarity from a Morphy, Marshall or Spielmann game
where they sacced a pawn or two.
Study the game I gave with as much effort as you gave the Kaspaorv game.
You WILL come back post your own masterpiece in a few months time.
Also look at Alekhine-Yates Carlsbad 1923 - give that one a going over as well.
Yates's masterpiece.
Just two games and you will have in your locker The Queen & Knight
as an attacking force and whole host of mating patterns and ideas stored.
Yours, on equal terms.
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Nice game Katastroof, amen to this PGN viewer as I proably wouldn't have bothered to play it through otherwise. I like to think I can grasp the majority of moves in some of these games but I some of it is beyond me.
....for example, 24.Nxg4 - ten times out of ten I would recapture with the Queen instead - covers the fork and looks pretty attacking, threatening to take the g-pawn afterwards. So I'm sure there's a good reason for capturing with the knight (unblocks the e-pawn?) but I don't get it. There's too many moves at master level which, to quote the original poster, I don't get!
I'm going to take your advice gpawn and play over that game a few times - if I'm not noticing any improvement in a week though, we're scrapping 😉
Originally posted by TheGambitOh yeah,I would've played 24.Qxg4 too.In fact,I wouldn't have gotten that far LOL I understand most of it given some annotations and seeing the result but I couldn't create such a game.
Nice game Katastroof, amen to this PGN viewer as I proably wouldn't have bothered to play it through otherwise. I like to think I can grasp the majority of moves in some of these games but I some of it is beyond me.
....for example, 24.Nxg4 - ten times out of ten I would recapture with the Queen instead - covers the fork and looks pretty attacking, thr ...[text shortened]... a few times - if I'm not noticing any improvement in a week though, we're scrapping 😉
The idea behind 24.Nxg4 is to offer the 2nd exchange so that White doesn't have to waste time getting those pawns rolling and to keep Black's dark squared bishop off the a1-h8 diagonal.