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  1. 11 Jun '07 12:59
    Anyone delivered it in a real game?
  2. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    11 Jun '07 13:05
    Originally posted by wakchessdragon
    Anyone delivered it in a real game?
    A lot of us had.
  3. 11 Jun '07 14:09
    What is it?
  4. Standard member MIODude
    me, not you
    11 Jun '07 14:27
    I have never - but I'm a D4 player

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9gal_Trap
  5. 11 Jun '07 15:04
    Originally posted by MIODude
    I have never - but I'm a D4 player

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%A9gal_Trap
    I have fallen for it in a real game 24 years ago. It was not an "official" rated game.

    My opponent had to do a good acting job because for such informal games we might have offered to give back a move if a queen was hung. He had to pull off a good acting job to both not take the move back and not raise enough suspicion in me that would make me look harder at the board.

    The acting job was the most difficult part.
  6. Standard member MIODude
    me, not you
    11 Jun '07 15:09
    When your opponent starts salavating when you are sliding your bishop down you know that there is the potential for a trap!
  7. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    11 Jun '07 15:15
    Originally posted by wakchessdragon
    Anyone delivered it in a real game?
    I think I saw someone who had delivered it in a game posted in one of the "Mate in Under 20 Moves" thread.
  8. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    11 Jun '07 15:48
    [Event "ICC 5 0 "]
    [Site "Internet Chess Club"]
    [Date "2002.08.29"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Wulebgr"]
    [Black "CAVALODEBATALHA"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [ECO "C50"]
    [WhiteElo "1346"]
    [BlackElo "1250"]
    [PlyCount "13"]
    [SourceDate "2003.01.01"]

    1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 d6 4. Nc3 Bg4 5. Nxe5 Bxd1 6. Bxf7+ Ke7 7. Nd5# {
    Black checkmated} 1-0

    [Event "ICC 5 0 "]
    [Site "Internet Chess Club"]
    [Date "2002.01.13"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Wulebgr"]
    [Black "niss"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [ECO "C41"]
    [WhiteElo "1425"]
    [BlackElo "1246"]
    [PlyCount "17"]
    [SourceDate "2003.01.01"]

    1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Nc3 Nc6 4. Bc4 h6 5. b4 Bg4 6. b5 Nd4 7. Nxe5 Bxd1 8.
    Bxf7+ Ke7 9. Nd5# 1-0

    [Event "ICC 5 0 "]
    [Site "Internet Chess Club"]
    [Date "2002.02.06"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Wulebgr"]
    [Black "niss"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [ECO "C41"]
    [WhiteElo "1310"]
    [BlackElo "1187"]
    [PlyCount "21"]
    [SourceDate "2003.01.01"]

    1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bc4 h6 4. Nc3 Bd7 5. O-O a6 6. Bb3 Nc6 7. d4 Bg4 8. dxe5
    Nxe5 9. Nxe5 Bxd1 10. Bxf7+ Ke7 11. Nd5# 1-0

    [Event "rated blitz match"]
    [Site "freechess.org"]
    [Date "2004.10.23"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Wulebgr"]
    [Black "lli"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [ECO "C41"]
    [WhiteElo "1525"]
    [BlackElo "1508"]
    [PlyCount "15"]
    [EventDate "2004.??.??"]
    [SourceDate "2003.01.01"]

    1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Bg4 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. Bc4 Nxd4 6. Nxe5 Bxd1 7. Bxf7+ Ke7
    8. Nd5# 1-0
  9. 11 Jun '07 15:51
    If Mr Niss isn't careful people are going to start suspecting that he's a patzer.
  10. 11 Jun '07 15:53
    With apologies to my opponent, havea look at game number 3291980.

    I have delivered this mate at least one other time on RHP.
  11. Standard member Wulebgr
    Angler
    11 Jun '07 17:14 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Fat Lady
    If Mr Niss isn't careful people are going to start suspecting that he's a patzer.
    I like to think that he has since learned to chalk up wins from the white side. I should like to say also that the chief benefit of Legall's Mate, as distinct from Scholar's Mate, is that white makes better position moves and can gain an advantage even if his or her opponent is not blind enough to fall into the trap. For example:




    When black plays the correct 6...Nxe5, instead of the blunder 6...Bxd1, white gets a game with a slight lead in development and a pawn to the good, and often can nurse the advantage to eventual victory.


    [Event "Rated game, 3m + 0s"]
    [Site "Halle Main Playing"]
    [Date "2006.09.29"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Wulebgr"]
    [Black "Zero-day"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [ECO "C41"]
    [WhiteElo "1670"]
    [BlackElo "1490"]
    [PlyCount "175"]
    [EventDate "2006.??.??"]

    1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bc4 Bg4 4. Nc3 Nc6 5. h3 Bh5 6. Nxe5 Nxe5 7. Qxh5 Nxc4 8.
    Qb5+ c6 9. Qxc4 Nf6 10. O-O Be7 11. d4 d5 12. Qe2 dxe4 13. Nxe4 O-O 14. Nxf6+
    Bxf6 15. c3 Re8 16. Qd3 c5 17. Be3 cxd4 18. Bxd4 Bxd4 19. Qxd4 Qxd4 20. cxd4
    Red8 21. Rfd1 Rd7 22. Rd3 Rad8 23. Rad1 f6 24. f3 Kf7 25. Kf2 Ke6 26. Ke3 Kd5
    27. Rc3 b6 28. a4 g5 29. a5 h5 30. axb6 axb6 31. Rb3 Rd6 32. Rb5+ Kc6 33. Rb3
    f5 34. Rdd3 Re8+ 35. Kf2 g4 36. hxg4 fxg4 37. f4 Rf6 38. Kg3 Ref8 39. Rdc3+ Kb7
    40. Rc5 Rxf4 41. Rxh5 Rxd4 42. Rh7+ Kc6 43. Rh6+ Rd6 44. Rxb6+ Kxb6 45. Rxd6+
    Kc5 46. Rd7 Kc6 47. Rd4 Re8 48. Rxg4 Re2 49. b4 Rb2 50. Rf4 Kb5 51. Kh3 Rb3+
    52. g3 Rc3 53. Kh4 Rc6 54. g4 Rh6+ 55. Kg5 Rd6 56. Kf5 Rd5+ 57. Kf6 Rd6+ 58.
    Ke7 Rd5 59. Ke6 Rd3 60. Rf5+ Kxb4 61. g5 Re3+ 62. Kf7 Rg3 63. g6 Rc3 64. g7
    Rc7+ 65. Kg8 Rc8+ 66. Kh7 Rc7 67. Rg5 Kc4 68. Kh8 Rc8+ 69. g8=Q+ Rxg8+ 70. Rxg8
    Kd5 71. Rg4 Ke5 72. Kg7 Kf5 73. Rc4 Ke5 74. Kf7 Kd5 75. Rf4 Ke5 76. Rf2 Kd4 77.
    Ke6 Ke4 78. Rh2 Kd4 79. Rh4+ Ke3 80. Ke5 Kf3 81. Rh5 Kg4 82. Rf5 Kg3 83. Ke4
    Kg4 84. Re5 Kg3 85. Rg5+ Kf2 86. Rg4 Kf1 87. Ke3 Ke1 88. Rg1# 1-0