Originally posted by XanthosNZDo you mean your machine outperforms others in the engine room? Perhaps you have a better opening book?! I don't know. I'm intrigued.
It's odd, I have nothing running in the background (if I do the mark drops to 1200 or so) and this rig constantly outperforms anything with similar or even much better fritzmark ratings. I've tried various things to improve the benchmark (hoping for an increase in performance) but nothing seems to work.
The only information I can find online is a sin ...[text shortened]... Fritz 5 was cutting edge.
Perhaps it's a odd thing about my particular system.
Any tips?
Fritz is a 32 bit engine, so it is not optimized for 64 bit machines. Still it performs well on them. (Kick-ass speed counts for something.) Fritzmark is only one measure, although a little more useful than ply-depth (unless you use compare ply-depth on a series of the same positions accross a range of computers, which is a bit akin to how Fritzmark works).
There was a brief thread at the Chess Exchange that I started while I was shopping for my current desktop, and that I continued shortly after I bought it. http://www.chessexchange.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1549
There have been other discussions there of how Fritz and kin perform in diverse boxes. You might poke around a bit there.
thanks no1!
here is a list of the top twenty players - i wonder if we can get a bit of data on each - and especially some more on tebb ...
1 2433 Akizy
2 2365 Weyerstrass 228/260 88%
3 2316 seadevil
4 2309 meman 315/393 80%
5 2263 peri
6 2263 Quirine 94/120 78%
7 2262 Dynamic09
8 2261 fckallie
9 2260 David Tebb 20/41 49%
10 2260 hww 36/53 68%
11 2249 Northern Lad
12 2232 Myrthir
13 2230 perkovic
14 2228 Peter9
15 2225 nicohuyboom 134/172 78%
16 2224 Jira
17 2222 cludi 219/308 71%
18 2211 Checkmate187
19 2210 Brett L
20 2207 jopasp
Originally posted by flexmoreThe big difference in data material on the players is probably
thanks no1!
here is a list of the top twenty players - i wonder if we can get a bit of data on each - and especially some more on tebb ...
1 2433 Akizy
2 2365 Weyerstrass 228/260 88%
3 2316 seadevil
4 2309 meman 315/393 80%
5 2263 peri
6 2263 Quirine 94/120 78%
7 2262 Dynamic09
8 2261 fckallie
9 2260 David Tebb ...[text shortened]... ira
17 2222 cludi 219/308 71%
18 2211 Checkmate187
19 2210 Brett L
20 2207 jopasp
that all moves were made in games against no1. Right?
Not that it really makes any difference, but I think it would be fair
that everyone knew this fact and it explains the lack of data on several of the players
Originally posted by no1marauderThe top twenty only has 3 names which I feel certain are engines.And one more which I am fairly certain of.
I analyzed all my games with Fritz8 some months ago and updated it to 697 games By my criteria, exact match or a move within .05 of a pawn equivalent to Fritz's first choice, I matched up 10.896/16,933 or 64.3%. In my two games with Xanthosnz, I matched uo 32/49 or 65.3%; he matched up 32/48 or 66.7%. The lowest matchups of my strong opponents would be ...[text shortened]... her matchups are a little higher than I remembered; in our 12 games, they are 156/281 or 55.5%.
RHP has the lowest number of engine users of a half dozen I play on.
This site is the only one which I am willing to pay to play.
If you want to read ny bio, buy a copy of Chess Bitch: Women in the Ultimate Intellectual Sport by Jennifer Shahade. Chapter 12 is my story.
Angela
Originally posted by caissad4Bought it; read your bio. What a story!
The top twenty only has 3 names which I feel certain are engines.And one more which I am fairly certain of.
RHP has the lowest number of engine users of a half dozen I play on.
This site is the only one which I am willing to pay to play.
If you want to read ny bio, buy a copy of Chess Bitch: Women in the Ultimate Intellectual Sport by Jennifer Shahade. Chapter 12 is my story.
Angela
I'd like to know the basis of your suspicions regarding engine use here, and elsewhere. Could you explain?
Originally posted by WulebgrThanks, My life has been an adventure, lol.
Bought it; read your bio. What a story!
I'd like to know the basis of your suspicions regarding engine use here, and elsewhere. Could you explain?
Having played and taught chess for 30 years there are patterns which become obvious. Uneven play is the pattern for players who use their engines to analyze difficult positions (usually this is done by mid-range players but I have found one 2000 player who appears to use engines only after the opening).
Among strong players the pattern is an absolute uncanny accuracy. Even masters make mistakes, just less frequently.
Several years ago I was directing the Texas Open when GM Annakov and IM Diesen came to discuss a low master who they were certain was using a computer during tournament. He had beaten Diesen and drawn Annakov in an earlier tournament with incredible tactics. The statement they made was "A low master cannot play GM level tactics in the middle game and not have it show in the rest of their game." I tailed the player and was certain he was cheating but could not get conclusive proof. Once he knew that I was on to him, his play seemed to be at a low master level. Earlier this year I played this same master and deliberately went into a very tactical situation and his response was to simplify to a drawn position.
It is all about patterns.
Angela
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Originally posted by caissad4i hope we do not turn this thread into a discussion of engine-cheating ... that was not my plan ... i want to find players with bizarre and interesting styles ... of which you happily seem to be one 🙂
Thanks, My life has been an adventure, lol.
Having played and taught chess for 30 years there are patterns which become obvious. Uneven play is the pattern for players who use their engines to analyze difficult positions (usually this is done by mid-range players but I have found one 2000 player who appears to use engines only after the opening).
Among st ...[text shortened]... tuation and his response was to simplify to a drawn position.
It is all about patterns.
Angela
also ...
you speak of masters recognising players using engines ... they seem to say : it is ok for weaker player to play a brilliant tactic so long as they still lose the game ?!?!?!?!?
you speak of masters distinguishing chess engines from humans ... just remember kasparov ... i think through his foolish comments he made a very clear point that high rated players are not automatically good judges of what computers can and cannot do.
Originally posted by flexmoreI think that the games mods accept that everyone has their occasional moments of brilliance. You'd expect a weaker player to do better than normal in a game against a stronger one once they've managed to go up in it; as they'll try harder with the prospect of getting their 'great victory'. What's suspicious is finding deep combinations in game after game, without the player showing the kind of positional understanding to go with it that you need simply in order to be able to spot the tactic.
i hope we do not turn this thread into a discussion of engine-cheating ... that was not my plan ... i want to find players with bizarre and interesting styles ... of which you happily seem to be one 🙂
also ...
you speak of masters recognising players using engines ... they seem to say : it is ok for weaker player to play a brilliant tactic so long as ...[text shortened]... t that high rated players are not automatically good judges of what computers can and cannot do.
A strong player will be able to spot an engine as they have distinct styles, just as human players do, but basically all that rates as is grounds for suspicion. You don't know until you get an engine to do post-game analysis, and then you can't be sure until you've taken evidence from a number of games.
Originally posted by caissad4Was Fckallie one of those you suspected?
The top twenty only has 3 names which I feel certain are engines.And one more which I am fairly certain of.
RHP has the lowest number of engine users of a half dozen I play on.
This site is the only one which I am willing to pay to play.
If you want to read ny bio, buy a copy of Chess Bitch: Women in the Ultimate Intellectual Sport by Jennifer Shahade. Chapter 12 is my story.
Angela