I consider it a very good opening. I know that if played properly, it leads to draw, but check out what happens when someone tries to prevent d5.
[Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
[Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2008.3.28"]
[Round "?"]
[White "kmac27"]
[Black "kbaumen"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 3. Bf1-b5 a7-a6 4. Bb5-a4 Ng8-f6 5. O-O Bf8-e7 6. Rf1-e1 b7-b5 7. Ba4-b3 O-O 8. a2-a4 Bc8-b7 9. c2-c3 d7-d5 10. e4xd5 Nf6xd5 11. Nf3xe5 Nc6xe5 12. Re1xe5 Be7-d6 13. Re5-e1 Qd8-g5 14. d2-d4 Nd5-e3 15. f2-f3 Bd6xh2 16. Kg1-h1 Bh2-f4 17. Bc1xe3 Bf4xe3 18. g2-g4 Qg5-h4 19. Kh1-g2 Qh4xg4 20. Kg2-f1 0-1
Originally posted by kbaumenouch. gg. i havn't ever had to play against this line, it must not be overly popular in CC on RHP eh?
I consider it a very good opening. I know that if played properly, it leads to draw, but check out what happens when someone tries to prevent d5.
[Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
[Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2008.3.28"]
[Round "?"]
[White "kmac27"]
[Black "kbaumen"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 3. Bf1-b5 a7-a6 4. Bb5-a4 Ng8-f6 5. ...[text shortened]... g4 20. Kg2-f1 0-1
[fen]r4rk1/1bp2ppp/p7/1p6/P2P2q1/1BP1bP2/1P6/RN1QRK2[/fen]
Originally posted by Mephisto2But, gee, look at how active white's pieces are! On the contrary, black's pieces aren't very active also (except the queen). However, I think it's still playable. 17. ... c5 and black is fine. White will find it hard to protect d4.
You are aware of the fact that this was an anti-Marshall game, aren't you? I think 12. ... Bd6 was a mistake, and white would have been better after 13.Rxd5 Bxd5 14.Bxd5 Bxh2+ 15.Kxh2 (Qd6+ 16.Kg1) Qxd5 17.d4.
Originally posted by kbaumenwhhat's wrong with 18.Be3 for white?
But, gee, look at how active white's pieces are! On the contrary, black's pieces aren't very active also (except the queen). However, I think it's still playable. 17. ... c5 and black is fine. White will find it hard to protect d4.
[fen]r4rk1/5ppp/p7/1ppq4/P2P4/2P5/1P3PPK/RNBQ4[/fen]
Originally posted by kbaumenI apologise for my reaction. I looked at the position from an objective point of view (as objective as I was capable of, that is) and didn't take the blitz-factor into account. Realising that, I have to say you played that out nicely!
Ok, ok, black is worse here. But the game was blitz. My opponent didn't play this line, so I'm lucky. Whatsoever, now I'll think twice before playing 12. Bd6 in such a position.
Originally posted by Mephisto2C'mon, no need to apologize. More like, thanks for pointing out that line. While I was playing, I considered 13. Bxd5 with a 13. ... Bxh2 to follow. However, I miscalculated. I thought that I'd win the exchange that way. I didn't realize that he'd already have a piece captured on d5.
I apologise for my reaction. I looked at the position from an objective point of view (as objective as I was capable of, that is) and didn't take the blitz-factor into account. Realising that, I have to say you played that out nicely!
Thanks for the input.
Originally posted by kbaumenYou make it sound like an error to avoid the Marshall. It's preference. White certainly has a tiny advantage after an anti-Marshall move like h3.
I consider it a very good opening. I know that if played properly, it leads to draw, but check out what happens when someone tries to prevent d5.
[Event "RHP Blitz rated"]
[Site "www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2008.3.28"]
[Round "?"]
[White "kmac27"]
[Black "kbaumen"]
[Result "0-1"]
1. e2-e4 e7-e5 2. Ng1-f3 Nb8-c6 3. Bf1-b5 a7-a6 4. Bb5-a4 Ng8-f6 5. ...[text shortened]... g4 20. Kg2-f1 0-1
[fen]r4rk1/1bp2ppp/p7/1p6/P2P2q1/1BP1bP2/1P6/RN1QRK2[/fen]
Originally posted by exigentskyWell it was intended to sound similar to "Hammerschlag prevails". In truth, I just wanted to post a blitz game. Many people do that here, don't they?
You make it sound like an error to avoid the Marshall. It's preference. White certainly has a tiny advantage after an anti-Marshall move like h3.
The fact that the Marshall is still extremely popular at super-GM level demonstrates that it must be basically sound. (One must assume that GMs will have spent countless silicon-assisted hours analysing all the various complex lines.)
The only problem using it OTB is that there is a large amount of theory you have to know and, certainly at lower levels, most players prefer to avoid it.
I'm lagging a bit behind of the latest Marshall; what's the standard line played now after
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15. Be3 Bg4 16. Qd3 Rae8 17. Nd2 Re6 18. a4
Chessbase big db (up to 2003) still has 18...f5 as the most popular continuation, but that has since been refuted with 19. axb5! (19...f4 20. Bxf4!). Do the big guys deviate earlier nowadays, like Adams' 17...Qh5, or even earlier?
Originally posted by Ikuturso18....bxa4! 19.Rxa4 f5 is the most aggressive continuation, though Spassky's 18...Qh5 doesn't seem to have been refuted either.
I'm lagging a bit behind of the latest Marshall; what's the standard line played now after
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. O-O Be7 6. Re1 b5 7. Bb3 O-O 8. c3 d5 9. exd5 Nxd5 10. Nxe5 Nxe5 11. Rxe5 c6 12. d4 Bd6 13. Re1 Qh4 14. g3 Qh3 15. Be3 Bg4 16. Qd3 Rae8 17. Nd2 Re6 18. a4
[fen]5rk1/5ppp/p1pbr3/1p1n4/P2P2b1/1BPQB1Pq/1P1N1P1P/R3R1K1 w - - 0 ...[text shortened]... 20. Bxf4!). Do the big guys deviate earlier nowadays, like Adams' 17...Qh5, or even earlier?