Game I analyzed in Fritz and was presented with no improvements to make on either end. I also let Fritz play for an extra 20 moves to see what would happen and the game drew so I don't feel particularly bad about the early offer.
I know fritz had nothing to say but maybe someone else does? I know humans have a creative touch that no engine can match.
Originally posted by ih8sens Game I analyzed in Fritz and was presented with no improvements to make on either end. I also let Fritz play for an extra 20 moves to see what would happen and the game drew so I don't feel particularly bad about the early offer.
I know fritz had nothing to say but maybe someone else does? I know humans have a creative touch that no engine can match.
Originally posted by Dragon Fire Because R(either)XQ then material is equal. (EDIT: Well black is a pawn down so I guess thats why he took the draw)
I think with the 2Bs against a player rated 300 points below me I would play on so a great result for you. Well done!
material wasn't quite equal... i was up a pawn but it was insignificant.
oh lol.. missed your edit.
... actually, that leaves me a good question, should black have left me that pawn or should he have recaptured with the pawn, risking his king safety a little?
And if black had recaptured with the pawn, his black bishop would have been completely useless for several moves, AND his king would have been more vulnerable...not worth a pawn
Originally posted by ih8sens material wasn't quite equal... i was up a pawn but it was insignificant.
oh lol.. missed your edit.
... actually, that leaves me a good question, should black have left me that pawn or should he have recaptured with the pawn, risking his king safety a little?
I think black should have recaptured with the g pawn as white cannot get his forces into the attack quickly enough.
Qg3+ .. Kh8 doesn't achieve anything after Rg8 and sooner or later f5 undoubles the pawns and unleashes the 2 Bs. The weakness of the black king seem illusionary and, in my opinion, not worth a whole P to avoid.
Nd5 is a great square for the N but black can play Be6 and chase or swop so again doesn't seen dangerous long term.
Originally posted by Dragon Fire I think black should have recaptured with the g pawn as white cannot get his forces into the attack quickly enough.
Qg3+ .. Kh8 doesn't achieve anything after Rg8 and sooner or later f5 undoubles the pawns and unleashes the 2 Bs. The weakness of the black king seem illusionary and, in my opinion, not worth a whole P to avoid.
That sounds good 😛... I just ran a deeper scan and fritz would have done as you say but judges the position to be almost perfectly equal either way.
edit.. that sounds wierd.. i mean either move was just as good, not the position was equal, white is winning by 3/4 of a pawn.
Originally posted by ih8sens That sounds good 😛... I just ran a deeper scan and fritz would have done as you say but judges the position to be almost perfectly equal either way.
edit.. that sounds wierd.. i mean either move was just as good, not the position was equal, white is winning by 3/4 of a pawn.
That sounds about right. Fritz would rate the exposed king and doubled pawn as a weakness or a pawn is, well, a pawn up.
I think if you leave Fritz a little longer it may reduce that white advantage to about 0.50 pawn unless (which I doubt) it can find a tactical blow.
Originally posted by Dragon Fire That sounds about right. Fritz would rate the exposed king and doubled pawn as a weakness [b]or a pawn is, well, a pawn up.
I think if you leave Fritz a little longer it may reduce that white advantage to about 0.50 pawn unless (which I doubt) it can find a tactical blow.[/b]
I just ran a deep position search and let it run for a while... this is rather interesting.
A significantly better move to use the bishop... wow.
Thats quite a difference .80 of a pawn by better for you by giving up a pawn. Rating white better as 1.47 pawns is a winning advantage so maybe you should not have taken the draw.
Originally posted by Stockton you two accepted a draw in that position?!? but there is so much play left.
One, that really helped my rating.
Two, we were (according to fritz) going to end up in a K v. K endgame anyways. If I was playing someone my own rating I would have tried to push it a little but I don't think being a pawn up in a situation where my opponent had the little tempo that there was would help that much. It could have been played longer but it probably would have drawn anyways I think.
Originally posted by Squelchbelch I would have definately played on as black & I offer draws reasonably easily.
played on as black?? a pawn down with a reasonably simple endgame in the making?.. I dunno i suppose but I think if that game had have been played out perfectly a draw would be all black could hope for.
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