14 Jul 07
Game I analyzed in Fritz and was presented with no improvements to make on either end. I also let Fritz play for an extra 20 moves to see what would happen and the game drew so I don't feel particularly bad about the early offer.
I know fritz had nothing to say but maybe someone else does? I know humans have a creative touch that no engine can match.
Game 3793362
14 Jul 07
Originally posted by ih8senswow, you were a whole queen up, why did you draw?? 😉
Game I analyzed in Fritz and was presented with no improvements to make on either end. I also let Fritz play for an extra 20 moves to see what would happen and the game drew so I don't feel particularly bad about the early offer.
I know fritz had nothing to say but maybe someone else does? I know humans have a creative touch that no engine can match.
Game 3793362
14 Jul 07
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Originally posted by jvanhineBecause R(either)XQ then material is equal. (EDIT: Well black is a pawn down so I guess thats why he took the draw)
wow, you were a whole queen up, why did you draw?? 😉
I think with the 2Bs against a player rated 300 points below me I would play on so a great result for you. Well done!
14 Jul 07
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Originally posted by Dragon Firematerial wasn't quite equal... i was up a pawn but it was insignificant.
Because R(either)XQ then material is equal. (EDIT: Well black is a pawn down so I guess thats why he took the draw)
I think with the 2Bs against a player rated 300 points below me I would play on so a great result for you. Well done!
oh lol.. missed your edit.
... actually, that leaves me a good question, should black have left me that pawn or should he have recaptured with the pawn, risking his king safety a little?
14 Jul 07
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Originally posted by ih8sensI think black should have recaptured with the g pawn as white cannot get his forces into the attack quickly enough.
material wasn't quite equal... i was up a pawn but it was insignificant.
oh lol.. missed your edit.
... actually, that leaves me a good question, should black have left me that pawn or should he have recaptured with the pawn, risking his king safety a little?
Qg3+ .. Kh8 doesn't achieve anything after Rg8 and sooner or later f5 undoubles the pawns and unleashes the 2 Bs. The weakness of the black king seem illusionary and, in my opinion, not worth a whole P to avoid.
Nd5 is a great square for the N but black can play Be6 and chase or swop so again doesn't seen dangerous long term.
14 Jul 07
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Originally posted by Dragon FireThat sounds good 😛... I just ran a deeper scan and fritz would have done as you say but judges the position to be almost perfectly equal either way.
I think black should have recaptured with the g pawn as white cannot get his forces into the attack quickly enough.
Qg3+ .. Kh8 doesn't achieve anything after Rg8 and sooner or later f5 undoubles the pawns and unleashes the 2 Bs. The weakness of the black king seem illusionary and, in my opinion, not worth a whole P to avoid.
edit.. that sounds wierd.. i mean either move was just as good, not the position was equal, white is winning by 3/4 of a pawn.
14 Jul 07
Originally posted by ih8sensThat sounds about right. Fritz would rate the exposed king and doubled pawn as a weakness or a pawn is, well, a pawn up.
That sounds good 😛... I just ran a deeper scan and fritz would have done as you say but judges the position to be almost perfectly equal either way.
edit.. that sounds wierd.. i mean either move was just as good, not the position was equal, white is winning by 3/4 of a pawn.
I think if you leave Fritz a little longer it may reduce that white advantage to about 0.50 pawn unless (which I doubt) it can find a tactical blow.
14 Jul 07
Originally posted by Dragon FireI just ran a deep position search and let it run for a while... this is rather interesting.
That sounds about right. Fritz would rate the exposed king and doubled pawn as a weakness [b]or a pawn is, well, a pawn up.
I think if you leave Fritz a little longer it may reduce that white advantage to about 0.50 pawn unless (which I doubt) it can find a tactical blow.[/b]
Analysis by Crafty 19.01
1. (0.67): 11...Bxf6 12.Qxd6 Be6 13.Qb4 Bg5+ 14.Kb1 Qe7 15.Qb5 Rac8 16.Nd5 Qc5 17.Qxc5 Rxc5 18.b4 Bg4
2. (1.47): 11...gxf6 12.Nd5 Rc8 13.Be2 Kh8 14.c3 a5 15.Rd2 b6 16.Re1 Be6 17.Nxe7 Qxe7 18.Qxd6 Qxd6 19.Rxd6
A significantly better move to use the bishop... wow.
15 Jul 07
Originally posted by ih8sensThats quite a difference .80 of a pawn by better for you by giving up a pawn. Rating white better as 1.47 pawns is a winning advantage so maybe you should not have taken the draw.
I just ran a deep position search and let it run for a while... this is rather interesting.
Analysis by Crafty 19.01
1. (0.67): 11...Bxf6 12.Qxd6 Be6 13.Qb4 Bg5+ 14.Kb1 Qe7 15.Qb5 Rac8 16.Nd5 Qc5 17.Qxc5 Rxc5 18.b4 Bg4
2. (1.47): 11...gxf6 12.Nd5 Rc8 13.Be2 Kh8 14.c3 a5 15.Rd2 b6 16.Re1 Be6 17.Nxe7 Qxe7 18.Qxd6 Qxd6 19.Rxd6
A significantly better move to use the bishop... wow.
15 Jul 07
Originally posted by Dragon Firelol, i was joking, im not that dumb (i hope) 🙂
Because R(either)XQ then material is equal. (EDIT: Well black is a pawn down so I guess thats why he took the draw)
I think with the 2Bs against a player rated 300 points below me I would play on so a great result for you. Well done!
15 Jul 07
Originally posted by StocktonOne, that really helped my rating.
you two accepted a draw in that position?!? but there is so much play left.
Two, we were (according to fritz) going to end up in a K v. K endgame anyways. If I was playing someone my own rating I would have tried to push it a little but I don't think being a pawn up in a situation where my opponent had the little tempo that there was would help that much. It could have been played longer but it probably would have drawn anyways I think.
15 Jul 07
Originally posted by Squelchbelchplayed on as black?? a pawn down with a reasonably simple endgame in the making?.. I dunno i suppose but I think if that game had have been played out perfectly a draw would be all black could hope for.
I would have definately played on as black & I offer draws reasonably easily.