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  1. 21 May '06 06:47
    I just played my first OTB game in the Calchess Tournament against an 1800 player and despite controlling the entire game with an edge. I blunder and lose.

    1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. c3 Bg7 4. d4 cxd4 5. cxd4 d5
    6. e5 Nc6 7. Bb5 Bg4 8. Nc3 Nh6 9. h3 Bxf3 10. Qxf3 O-O 11. Qxd5 Qxd5 12. Nxd5
    Nxd4 13. Nxe7+ Kh8 14. Ba4 b5 15. Be3 bxa4 16. Bxd4 Rfe8 17. Nc6 Nf5 18. Bc3
    Re6 19. g4 Nh4 20. Nd4 Rxe5+ 21. Kd2 Rd8 22. Kc2 Rc5 23. Ne2 Nf3 24. Rad1 Re8
    25. Kb1 a3 26. Bb4 Rce5 27. Nc3 axb2 28. Rd3 Re1+ 29. Rxe1 Rxe1+ 30. Kxb2 Re2+
    31. Kb3 Nd2+ 32. Ka4 1-0

    All I can say is that this is really disappointing and that I think I would have played a lot better if it were a 2d computer board.
  2. Standard member XanthosNZ
    Cancerous Bus Crash
    21 May '06 07:48
    Originally posted by exigentsky
    I just played my first OTB game in the Calchess Tournament against an 1800 player and despite controlling the entire game with an edge. I blunder and lose.

    1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. c3 Bg7 4. d4 cxd4 5. cxd4 d5
    6. e5 Nc6 7. Bb5 Bg4 8. Nc3 Nh6 9. h3 Bxf3 10. Qxf3 O-O 11. Qxd5 Qxd5 12. Nxd5
    Nxd4 13. Nxe7+ Kh8 14. Ba4 b5 15. Be3 bxa4 16. Bxd4 Rfe8 17. Nc ...[text shortened]... sappointing and that I think I would have played a lot better if it were a 2d computer board.
    You were not controlling that entire game.
  3. 21 May '06 08:48
    It seems pretty equal all the way to me -- Your attack wasn't strong enough to mate, nor was it going to win material...

    all it was doing was driving the king to the centre (till you blundered), which, after a few exchanges would have been an advantage for White..

    And btw what was the Blunder Re2+ or Nd2+ or both? seeing as they both lose
  4. Standard member XanthosNZ
    Cancerous Bus Crash
    21 May '06 09:31 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Shinidoki
    It seems pretty equal all the way to me -- Your attack wasn't strong enough to mate, nor was it going to win material...

    all it was doing was driving the king to the centre (till you blundered), which, after a few exchanges would have been an advantage for White..

    And btw what was the Blunder Re2+ or Nd2+ or both? seeing as they both lose
    30. ... Re2+ is the blunder that loses the game. 30. ... Nd4 would have kept it close.
    Although 29. ... Rxe1 a move earlier was also pretty substandard but white missed 30. Nd1! with the discovered attack on the rook and a good advantage.
  5. 22 May '06 04:37
    I was controlling the game. My opponent was forced to continually respond to my threats and had few threats of his own. Whether forcing my opponent this way was a good idea is another matter.

    I had a lot of winning chances that game, I don't know what happened. I think part of the reason REALLY is that I was not using a 2d board.
  6. Standard member Draxus
    Mr. Bombastic
    22 May '06 04:40
    Perhaps you thought you were controlling the game. One thing that I notice from really good players is that they so easily give me the illusion that I am in control and winning.
  7. Standard member Draxus
    Mr. Bombastic
    22 May '06 05:06
    Hold on, how did you lose? You both had equal material and your king wasn't in check. Is there some OTB rule that I don't know about?
  8. 22 May '06 05:18
    That guy is not so good. I should have beaten him without question. But considering that it was my first OTB game, I did not feel quite like myself.

    Anyway, I lose because I'm going to be down a piece.
  9. Standard member XanthosNZ
    Cancerous Bus Crash
    22 May '06 05:19
    Originally posted by Draxus
    Hold on, how did you lose? You both had equal material and your king wasn't in check. Is there some OTB rule that I don't know about?
    He resigned in the face of the threat of Rd8 (and giving mate after blocks) forcing him to lose material to avoid mate.

    exigentsky, possessing initiative is only a small part of controlling a game. If you can't do anything with the tempo then it's useless.

    You missed one winning chance that I can see. After 21. ... Rd5! you'd have two attackers vs. one defender on the pinned knight forcing white to shed material. It's a pretty obvious discovered attack really.
  10. 22 May '06 17:48
    2 dimensional computer board/versus otb..........yes, there's an adjustment that needs to be made, if you get too used to one or the other you will be at a disadvantage until you get used to it. I think.
  11. 22 May '06 18:40 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Draxus
    Perhaps you thought you were controlling the game. One thing that I notice from really good players is that they so easily give me the illusion that I am in control and winning.
    One of the things iv noticed from watch Yasser Seirawan play blitz against 1200-2000 rated players is that for a most of the game (around 20-30 moves in most cases) the play seems quite even then seemingly out of no where the lower rated player totally collapses. This could be to do with Yassers quiet style, slowly pushing his pieces around for an edge, maybe if it was a more aggressive player like Topalov the games wouldnt look even for so long.
  12. 22 May '06 18:46
    Probably just the openings and style of play.


    [Event "3m + 1s, rated"]
    [Site "?"]
    [Date "2005.11.09"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Yasser Seirawan"]
    [Black "FischerStark"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [ECO "D14"]
    [WhiteElo "2913"]
    [BlackElo "1994"]
    [PlyCount "81"]
    [EventDate "2005.10.19"]
    [EventType "blitz"]

    1. d4 {6} d5 {4} 2. c4 {1} c6 {1} 3. cxd5 {4} cxd5 {1} 4. Nc3 {0} Nf6 {1} 5.
    Bf4 {3} Nc6 {3} 6. e3 {1} Bf5 {2} 7. Nf3 {11} e6 {2} 8. Qb3 {2} Bb4 {3} 9. Bb5
    {3} O-O {13} 10. Rc1 {34} Bxc3+ {11} 11. bxc3 {5} Ne4 {26} 12. O-O {3} g5 {6}
    13. Bg3 {8} Kh8 {7} 14. Qb2 {27} f6 {6} 15. c4 {2} Ne7 {8} 16. cxd5 {5} Nxd5 {1
    } 17. Nd2 {2} a6 {9} 18. Be2 {6} b5 {8} 19. Nxe4 {3} Bxe4 {3} 20. f3 {1} Bg6 {2
    } 21. e4 {2} Nf4 {8} 22. Bxf4 {4} gxf4 {0} 23. Rfd1 {5} Qd6 {8} 24. d5 {2} e5 {
    3} 25. Rc6 {3} Qd7 {1} 26. Rdc1 {2} Rf7 {2} 27. Qc2 {7} Qa7+ {6} 28. Qc5 {3}
    Qxc5+ {4} 29. R1xc5 {2} Raa7 {1} 30. Kf2 {4} Kg7 {1} 31. g3 {4} fxg3+ {1} 32.
    hxg3 {1} Rfd7 {1} 33. Ke3 {3} Be8 {1} 34. Rc8 {2} Kf7 {4} 35. f4 {2} Ke7 {1}
    36. R5c6 {2} exf4+ {22} 37. gxf4 {2} Bg6 {10} 38. Kd4 {3} Rab7 {3} 39. Bg4 {2}
    f5 {3} 40. exf5 {1} Bf7 {0} 41. f6# {(Lag: Av=0.68s, max=1.7s) 1} 1-0


    --------------------------------------------------------------------------

    [Event "3m + 1s, rated"]
    [Site "?"]
    [Date "2005.11.09"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Ayosna"]
    [Black "Yasser Seirawan"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [ECO "B19"]
    [WhiteElo "1867"]
    [BlackElo "2913"]
    [PlyCount "54"]
    [EventDate "2005.10.19"]
    [EventType "blitz"]

    1. e4 {3} c6 {8} 2. d4 {2} d5 {0} 3. Nc3 {2} dxe4 {2} 4. Nxe4 {1} Bf5 {2} 5.
    Ng3 {1} Bg6 {1} 6. Nf3 {1} Nd7 {2} 7. h4 {2} h6 {2} 8. h5 {1} Bh7 {1} 9. Bd3 {1
    } Bxd3 {1} 10. Qxd3 {1} e6 {1} 11. Bd2 {1} Ngf6 {7} 12. O-O-O {3} Be7 {2} 13.
    Qe2 {9} c5 {7} 14. Kb1 {9} O-O {3} 15. Bc3 {6} Nd5 {2} 16. Bd2 {11} cxd4 {2}
    17. Nxd4 {2} Bf6 {4} 18. Nb3 {10} a5 {5} 19. Ne4 {7} a4 {2} 20. Nxf6+ {2} Qxf6
    {2} 21. Nc1 {19} a3 {2} 22. Nd3 {11} axb2 {10} 23. Nb4 {11} N7b6 {8} 24. Nxd5 {
    5} exd5 {6} 25. Qd3 {10} Rfc8 {4} 26. Rh3 {6} Nc4 {3} 27. Bc3 {10} Qa6 {
    Ayosna resigns (Lag: Av=0.74s, max=1.3s) 10} 0-1

    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    [Event "3m + 1s, rated"]
    [Site "?"]
    [Date "2005.10.31"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "HAm3l3oNa"]
    [Black "Yasser Seirawan"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [ECO "B12"]
    [WhiteElo "1500"]
    [BlackElo "2874"]
    [PlyCount "60"]
    [EventDate "2005.10.19"]
    [EventType "blitz"]

    1. e4 {1} c6 {8} 2. d4 {4} d5 {0} 3. e5 {1} Bf5 {5} 4. Bd3 {1} Bxd3 {2} 5. Qxd3
    {1} e6 {1} 6. Be3 {1} Qb6 {7} 7. b3 {2} Ne7 {2} 8. Nf3 {2} Nf5 {22} 9. O-O {2}
    Be7 {2} 10. Nbd2 {9} O-O {2} 11. c4 {2} a5 {9} 12. c5 {5} Qa6 {3} 13. Qc3 {20}
    b6 {24} 14. Bg5 {10} bxc5 {18} 15. Bxe7 {6} Nxe7 {12} 16. dxc5 {8} Nd7 {4} 17.
    Ng5 {10} h6 {7} 18. Ngf3 {8} Ng6 {13} 19. g3 {3} f6 {5} 20. exf6 {8} Rxf6 {2}
    21. Rfe1 {2} e5 {2} 22. Nxe5 {5} Ngxe5 {3} 23. f4 {8} Qd3 {7} 24. Qxd3 {38}
    Nxd3 {2} 25. Re3 {3} N7xc5 {1} 26. Nf3 {8} a4 {2} 27. b4 {7} Nxb4 {2} 28. Rc1 {
    3} Ne4 {13} 29. Nd4 {5} c5 {3} 30. Nf5 {11} Rxf5 {
    HAm3l3oNa resigns (Lag: Av=0.36s, max=0.8s) 2} 0-1

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------

    [Event "3m + 1s, rated"]
    [Site "?"]
    [Date "2006.05.09"]
    [Round "?"]
    [White "Birdf4"]
    [Black "Yasser Seirawan"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [ECO "A03"]
    [WhiteElo "1970"]
    [BlackElo "3014"]
    [PlyCount "78"]
    [EventDate "2006.05.16"]
    [EventType "blitz"]

    1. f4 {2} d5 {11} 2. e3 {1} g6 {2} 3. Nf3 {2} Bg7 {1} 4. Be2 {1} c5 {2} 5. O-O
    {1} Nc6 {1} 6. d3 {1} Nf6 {5} 7. Qe1 {2} O-O {2} 8. Ne5 {1} Nxe5 {9} 9. fxe5 {2
    } Nd7 {1} 10. d4 {1} f6 {2} 11. e6 {17} Nb8 {6} 12. dxc5 {10} Bxe6 {3} 13. Nd2
    {11} a5 {7} 14. Nf3 {4} Qc7 {7} 15. Nd4 {3} Bf7 {2} 16. b3 {12} Qxc5 {10} 17.
    a4 {9} Re8 {9} 18. Ba3 {3} Qb6 {1} 19. Bb5 {6} Nc6 {2} 20. Rd1 {25} e5 {4} 21.
    Nf3 {8} Rec8 {16} 22. Qf2 {17} Na7 {3} 23. Nxe5 {7} Be6 {9} 24. Nd7 {13} Bxd7 {
    14} 25. Bxd7 {2} Rc3 {1} 26. Rd3 {16} Rxd3 {4} 27. cxd3 {1} Rd8 {10} 28. Bh3 {
    22} Re8 {2} 29. d4 {3} Qxb3 {4} 30. Bc5 {1} Nc6 {2} 31. Bd7 {1} Rxe3 {2} 32.
    Bxc6 {2} bxc6 {2} 33. Qf4 {1} h5 {' 17} 34. h4 {2} Re4 {3} 35. Qd6 {1} Qe3+ {3}
    36. Rf2 {2} Re6 {2} 37. Qd8+ {1} Kh7 {2} 38. Qd7 {5} Kh6 {11} 39. Qd8 {3} Qe1+
    {Time (Lag: Av=0.73s, max=1.3s) . 6} 0-1