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I just thought of a new opening!
it will start like the ruy lopez:
1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. c4 ?
Somewhere in the future d3 needs to be made by white as well.
think about it.
good pawn structure
control of center
and since the bishop is aleady out it does not block any pieces.

Im gonna try it in a few games, anyone want a unrated game to try this out?

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Originally posted by Faith No More
I just thought of a new opening!
it will start like the ruy lopez:
1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. c4 ?
Somewhere in the future d3 needs to be made by white as well.
think about it.
good pawn structure
control of center
and since the bishop is aleady out it does not block any pieces.

Im gonna try it in a few games, anyone want a unrated game to try this out?

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It doesn't sound all that attractive to me. You've handed over the d4 square for no particular reason, and your opponent is practically invited to play Nxe4, at which point the only good way to get the pawn back seems to be to first play Bxc6, and after dxc6 Black has all the counterplay he could ask for from your backward pawn on the semi-open d-file. I'd be perfectly willing to help you put your opening to the test, though.

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yea, I think c4 would not be good -- in addition to the good reasons given by natural science, it would also waste time with a non-developing pawn move, as well as create a hole in your king's direction before castling.

Uh... this game is ongoing, so please don't comment, but merely to see the consequences of unnecessary pushing of the c pawn: Game 691198

Suffice it to say that I just spent a good half hour calculating my last move simply to find a line that I think permits me to come out of this only losing a pawn.

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Well, the game has begun:
Game 700349

Lets see what happens 🙂

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I don't know, but c4 looks very ugly to me

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For what it's worth, Chessgames.com has about 3000 games archived that start with the first three moves you describe. In none of them did white play 4. c4.

I'd say it is probably less than ideal. 🙂

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I agree with Natural Science and Paultopia. You're not controlling the center because you're giving up your e4 pawn and opening a file on to the center. What you get out of all this is you double his pawns, move his center pawn out of the center, but you put a backward pawn on an open file. Since the game is actually being played I won't further offer suggestions for your opponent.

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😞

I guess I wil name it "the crap opening" but its still my opening!

Shaul 😉

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Hey yeah! Then you could add a gambit in there and call it the crap gambit! LOL (Actually, some are allready calling the King's Gambit that, in so many words, but I like it, and if you like your opening, then by all means you should give it a whirl!

Seriously, "crap gambit" may sound funny, but consider the names of some other unorthodox openings. For example, the Troon Gambit, the Double Duck Variation, The Tumbleweed, and the Drunken King, the Tortoise openingThe Giraffe Attack, The Borg variation! (resistance is futile! You will be assimilated!)The Mosquito Gambit, The Woozle, The Kitchener Folly, (Hmmmm. Kitchen. I wonder if that is some gadget you see on late night infomercials!)The Whale, The Porcupine Variation, The Hillbilly attack, (EEEE doggies, Jethro!), The Horsefly defense, The Gaga gambit, and of course, The Dodo gambit!!!

God strike me with lightening if I'm making these up! These are actual established names.

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you know, looking at the position on the board, I'm not so sure anymore. It looks like white has a variety of decent tactical responses to black's most obvious ways to punish this move...

Shaul, you wanna send me a game?

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Originally posted by Faith No More
I just thought of a new opening!
it will start like the ruy lopez:
1.e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 Nf6 4. c4 ?
Somewhere in the future d3 needs to be made by white as well.
think about it.
good pawn structure
control of center
and since the bishop is aleady out it does not block any pieces.

Im gonna try it in a few games, anyone want a unrated game to try this out?

FNM
I just thought of a new opening!
it will start like the Ruy Lopez:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6
then im gonna play a crap move 4.c4???
somewhere in the future, if i ever get chance, im gonna play d3
think about it (or not, as in this case)
bad pawn structure
loss of a pawn
and since the bish is allready out, he might as well stay there, cos the rest has gone pear shaped

Im gonna try it in a few games, ive got a good feeling about it, that crazy old spanish priest never found it, SO IT MUST BE GOOD

green as ever

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Originally posted by forevergreenwithenvy
I just thought of a new opening!
it will start like the Ruy Lopez:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6
then im gonna play a crap move 4.c4???
somewhere in the future, if i ever get chance, im gonna play d3
think about it (or not, as in this case)
bad pawn structure
loss of a pawn
and since the bish is allready out, he might as well stay there, c ...[text shortened]... ling about it, that crazy old spanish priest never found it, SO IT MUST BE GOOD

green as ever
don't be a jerk

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Originally posted by paultopia
you know, looking at the position on the board, I'm not so sure anymore. It looks like white has a variety of decent tactical responses to black's most obvious ways to punish this move...

Shaul, you wanna send me a game?
Yeah, I'm having second thoughts about going through with the capture on e4, upon closer inspection of the position.

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Originally posted by forevergreenwithenvy
I just thought of a new opening!
it will start like the Ruy Lopez:
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 Nf6
then im gonna play a crap move 4.c4???
somewhere in the future, if i ever get chance, im gonna play d3
think about it (or not, as in this case)
bad pawn structure
loss of a pawn
and since the bish is allready out, he might as well stay there, c ...[text shortened]... ling about it, that crazy old spanish priest never found it, SO IT MUST BE GOOD

green as ever
I might be wrong here ... but wouldn't this opening be called some kind of Crap Maroczy (c4-d3-e4 bind)?

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Originally posted by lucifershammer
I might be wrong here ... but wouldn't this opening be called some kind of Crap Maroczy (c4-d3-e4 bind)?

Luc
I was thinking the same thing, and I honestly never saw what was so impressive about the Maroczy bind anyway. Panws on c4 and e4 are pretty redundant, and I don't think the extra control of d5 really compensates for the weakness on d4.

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