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People are people and they make mistakes. Here's a game where I beat a 1700. He's still a low 1700. I have the white pieces:
- 8
- a
- 7
- b
- 6
- c
- 5
- d
- 4
- e
- 3
- f
- 2
- g
- 1
- h
| 1. | d4 | Ng8f6 |
|---|---|---|
| 2. | Ng1f3 | g6 |
| 3. | Bc1f4 | Bf8g7 |
| 4. | e3 | O-O |
| 5. | Nb1c3 | d5 |
| 6. | Bf1e2 | Nb8d7 |
| 7. | h4 | c5 |
| 8. | Nf3e5 | cxd4 |
| 9. | exd4 | Nd7b6 |
| 10. | Be2f3 | Nb6c4 |
| 11. | Ne5xc4 | dxc4 |
| 12. | Qd1d2 | e6 |
| 13. | O-O-O | Nf6d5 |
| 14. | Nc3xd5 | exd5 |
| 15. | Bf4e5 | Bc8e6 |
| 16. | Be5xg7 | Kg8xg7 |
| 17. | h5 | a5 |
| 18. | hxg6 | f5 |
| 19. | Rh1xh7 | Kg7f6 |
| 20. | Qd2h6 | Rf8g8 |
| 21. | Qh6h4 | Kf6xg6 |
| 22. | Qh4h6 |
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It's happened to me before too. In each case the higher rated player had a bigger game load and I was giving a lot of time and effort to each move. From where I sit the 1700+ player seems invincible - but they're not. I've also been on the other side where someone 200 points or so below me has taught me a chess lesson.
Good game btw.
Originally posted by Mahoutyeah me too I've won from a 1900 but it was a total fluke anyway
It's happened to me before too. In each case the higher rated player had a bigger game load and I was giving a lot of time and effort to each move. From where I sit the 1700+ player seems invincible - but they're not. I've also been on the other side where someone 200 points or so below me has taught me a chess lesson.
Good game btw.
- 8
- a
- 7
- b
- 6
- c
- 5
- d
- 4
- e
- 3
- f
- 2
- g
- 1
- h
| 1. | e4 | e5 |
|---|---|---|
| 2. | d4 | Ng8f6 |
| 3. | dxe5 | Nf6xe4 |
| 4. | Qd1d5 | f5 |
| 5. | exf6 | Ne4xf6 |
| 6. | Qd5f3 | Nb8c6 |
| 7. | Bc1e3 | d5 |
| 8. | Bf1d3 | Bc8g4 |
| 9. | Qf3f4 | d4 |
| 10. | Be3d2 | Bf8b4 |
| 11. | Bd3c4 | Qd8e7 |
| 12. | Ng1e2 | O-O-O |
| 13. | f3 | Bg4e6 |
| 14. | Bc4d3 | Nf6d5 |
| 15. | Qf4g3 | Nd5e3 |
| 16. | c3 | Ne3c2 |
| 17. | Bd3xc2 | d3 |
| 18. | cxb4 | dxe2 |
| 19. | Nb1a3 | Nc6xb4 |
| 20. | Bc2e4 | Qe7d7 |
| 21. | Bd2xb4 | Qd7d1 |
| 22. | Ra1xd1 | exd1=Q |
| 23. | Ke1f2 | Qd1xh1 |
| 24. | Qg3xg7 | Rh8g8 |
| 25. | Qg7xh7 | Qh1xg2 |
| 26. | Kf2e3 | Qg2g1 |
| 27. | Ke3f4 | Qg1g5 |
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I've also lost against 1200s so had a taste of each, somehow prefer winning though...
Originally posted by orion2524.Qe5 instead of 24.Qxg7 and if the obvious 24...Rhe8 then
yeah me too I've won from a 1900 but it was a total fluke anyway
[pgn]
[Event "February 2009 Quartets VI"]
[Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2009.03.02"]
[EndDate "2009.04.09"]
[Round "1"]
[White "gundel"]
[Black "orion25"]
[WhiteRating "1972"]
[BlackRating "1484"]
[WhiteELO "1972"]
[BlackELO "1484"]
[Result "0-1"]
[GameId "6064664"] ...[text shortened]... ainst 1200s so had a taste of each, somehow prefer winning though...
25.Bxb7+ is surely a perpetual.
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Originally posted by MahoutI almost dropped a game (well drew at least) against someone 400 points lower rated. won it just today, with a bit of luck, but it could've easily been at least drawn. so how did I screw up? dropping a pinned piece for a 1-mover!
It's happened to me before too. In each case the higher rated player had a bigger game load and I was giving a lot of time and effort to each move. From where I sit the 1700+ player seems invincible - but they're not. I've also been on the other side where someone 200 points or so below me has taught me a chess lesson.
Good game btw.
and to make the blunder worse, I missed an elementary way to save that piece right after it 'dropped'. two oversights worth a piece in a row.
Game 6086705
everybody drops the ball every now and then. be there to catch it.
Originally posted by GuychI believe there are no flukes in chess, every win should be considered a well deserved victory. after that, you may try to work on your mistakes (if there are any). this of course goes both ways. one should never describe a loss as "bad luck".
Yeah! I won a game against 1700s player! (I'm high 1500s) I think it was a fluke though 🙂
[pgn][Event "June 2009 Octet XIV"]
[Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2009.06.14"]
[EndDate "2009.06.15"]
[Round "1"]
[White "bob58"]
[Black "Guych"]
[WhiteRating "1704"]
[BlackRating "1599"]
[WhiteELO "1704"]
[BlackELO "1599"]
[Result "0-1"]
[GameI ...[text shortened]... Ng1f3 d6 10. Qd1e2 Bc8g4 11. O-O-O Nc6d4 12. Qe2f1 Nd4xf3 0-1
[/pgn]
in short, well done 🙂
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Originally posted by wormwood"Everybody drops the ball every now and then. be there to catch it." - I like this one.
I almost dropped a game (well drew at least) against someone 400 points lower rated. won it just today, with a bit of luck, but it could've easily been at least drawn. so how did I screw up? dropping a pinned piece for a 1-mover!
and to make the blunder worse, I missed an elementary way to save that piece right after it 'dropped'. two oversights worth a ...[text shortened]...
Game 6086705
everybody drops the ball every now and then. be there to catch it.
I guess it was the knight that was pinned to mate threat. How could you save that knight?
Originally posted by wormwoodDidn't look through the game yet but noticed the ending was Q+N and 5 pawns vs Q+B and 5 pawns. Not much work has been devoted to endings with the queens on for whatever reason but in my studies I have come to believe that Q+N is better than Q+B. This is because the bishop is stuck on one color and the queen can do any function that the bishop can so the bishop often gets in the way whereas the knight has that odd move and can serve many functions that the queen can't. In conclusion I believe that the queen works much better with the knight than it does with the bishop. Whether this is enough to force wins I don't know. I wonder if anybody has looked into Q+B vs Q+N with no pawns? That would be interesting to see those results.
I almost dropped a game (well drew at least) against someone 400 points lower rated. won it just today, with a bit of luck, but it could've easily been at least drawn. so how did I screw up? dropping a pinned piece for a 1-mover!
and to make the blunder worse, I missed an elementary way to save that piece right after it 'dropped'. two oversights worth a ...[text shortened]...
Game 6086705
everybody drops the ball every now and then. be there to catch it.
These are the same reasons why I think that the bishop pair isn't so superior when the queens are still on. Of course, it always depends on the position though.
Originally posted by tomtom232for the middlegame I think it was Capablanca who first mentioned K+Q would be favorable against B+Q in most positions. that probably should work for endings too.
Didn't look through the game yet but noticed the ending was Q+N and 5 pawns vs Q+B and 5 pawns. Not much work has been devoted to endings with the queens on for whatever reason but in my studies I have come to believe that Q+N is better than Q+B. This is because the bishop is stuck on one color and the queen can do any function that the bishop can so the b ...[text shortened]... superior when the queens are still on. Of course, it always depends on the position though.
Originally posted by Guych...f5 g4 and the bishop on h3 is gone. it seems so obvious now. missing pawn moves is quite typical problem for me.
"Everybody drops the ball every now and then. be there to catch it." - I like this one.
I guess it was the knight that was pinned to mate threat. How could you save that knight?
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Originally posted by tomtom232could be. but I tend to look at everything in a very concrete way, and ignore most generalizations like that. here I simply looked at slipping my king up the board, and somehow hopping the horsey to c8, which seemed winning for me. rybka disagreed, and claimed 0.00 for some moves with the black queen on 1st rank. maybe it saw a perpetual, I don't know. but it seemed to me I could've just forced a queen swap by interposing my queen between black queen and my escaping king (because black queen not returning on black's side would likely mean a quick mate). so when black didn't take the knight, I thought I was likely winning, as with queens off and my king infiltrated, black queenside would've been beyond saving (didn't see a mate yet then).
Didn't look through the game yet but noticed the ending was Q+N and 5 pawns vs Q+B and 5 pawns. Not much work has been devoted to endings with the queens on for whatever reason but in my studies I have come to believe that Q+N is better than Q+B. This is because the bishop is stuck on one color and the queen can do any function that the bishop can so the b superior when the queens are still on. Of course, it always depends on the position though.
my main concern was not to get mated (or dropping the bishop with a check) when allowing the black queen to infiltrate (needed the tempi for the attack). it was a bit risky, and I used a lot of time making sure it worked. still didn't see everything, and almost moved my knight and got mated in the centre. now that would've been painful. 🙂