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Need help in decision/arbitation

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A rapid game (45 mins each was played)
Final positon : Both players have a King and a Rook.
White has only 1-2 mins left on his clock while Black has more than 10 mins.

Since there cannot be a checkmate, unless someone does a terrible mistake, should the arbiter declare the game as drawn?

Actually both players made insignificant moves untill White's time was finished and Black was declared winner. But White has protested.
Need help in deciding the result.

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where there made more then 50 half moves without taking a piece or moving a pawn?

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Originally posted by einstein123
A rapid game (45 mins each was played)
Final positon : Both players have a King and a Rook.
White has only 1-2 mins left on his clock while Black has more than 10 mins.

Since there cannot be a checkmate, unless someone does a terrible mistake, should the arbiter declare the game as drawn?

Actually both players made insignificant moves untill Wh ...[text shortened]... hed and Black was declared winner. But White has protested.
Need help in deciding the result.
In some OTB tournaments with rapid time-control there is "insufficient losing chances" rule, i.e. side wich is short of time can claim draw if it can show clear plan to hold the position which gives 0 winning chances to opponent - your case could fall in such category.

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Actually since both player's didn't knew the rules, no count of moves was made.

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Declare the game drawn,I say.It's a very easy to hold position for the side with less time,I would be surprised if he/she failed to make 50 moves in 2 minutes,or even in 1 minute.It would be wrong to have it decided on time,IMO.

Sir Lot.

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I have a copy of the official rules.

"Article 9:

9.6 The game is drawn when a position is reached from which a checkmate cannot occur by any possible series of legal moves, even with the most unskilled play (except as per article 10, where applicable). This immediately ends the game."

Looking at article 10:

"Article 10:
10.1 A Sudden Death finish is the last phase of a game, when all the remaining moves must be made in a limited time with no time increment.
10.2 If the player has less then two minutes left on the clock, the player may claim a draw before the expiration of time by stopping the clocks and summon the arbiter.
(a) If the arbiter is satisfied the opponent is making no effort to win by normal means, then he shall declare the game drawn. Otherwise he shall postpone the decision.
(b) ...."

So it appears in your case that the arbiter would declare the game drawn.

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Originally posted by einstein123
A rapid game (45 mins each was played)
Final positon : Both players have a King and a Rook.
White has only 1-2 mins left on his clock while Black has more than 10 mins.

Since there cannot be a checkmate, unless someone does a terrible mistake, should the arbiter declare the game as drawn?

Actually both players made insignificant moves untill Wh ...[text shortened]... hed and Black was declared winner. But White has protested.
Need help in deciding the result.
You can offer draw, and hopefully your opponent accepts it. But K+R vs K+R is by no means a theoretically drawn position (example black to move with white king on c8, white rook on h8, black king on c6, black rook on a1 is mate in 1). If draw by agreement is not possible, then the 3-fold repetition rule or the 50-moves rule can come into action.

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
You can offer draw, and hopefully your opponent accepts it. But K+R vs K+R is by no means a theoretically drawn position (example black to move with white king on c8, white rook on h8, black king on c6, black rook on a1 is mate in 1). If draw by agreement is not possible, then the 3-fold repetition rule or the 50-moves rule can come into action.
True,it's no theoretical draw,but it was already stated that both players were making insignificant moves.So player A was clearly trying to flag player B.In such a case a draw should be declared,IMO.

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Originally posted by einstein123
A rapid game (45 mins each was played)
Final positon : Both players have a King and a Rook.
White has only 1-2 mins left on his clock while Black has more than 10 mins.

Since there cannot be a checkmate, unless someone does a terrible mistake, should the arbiter declare the game as drawn?

Actually both players made insignificant moves untill Wh ...[text shortened]... hed and Black was declared winner. But White has protested.
Need help in deciding the result.
It really depends on the rules in force at the time.
Some associations have rules where a draw can be claimed where the opponent is clearing not able to/not trying to win.
These are usually intended to avoid the situation where one side is losing on the board but tries to win on time.
I'd say K+R v K+R is worth playing on, and certainly shoouldn't declared a draw.
Also, its no good disputing things afterwards. The player has to know what the rules are, and claim a draw if appropriate during play.
In your situation, if White just carried on until his/her flag fell without even attempting to claim a draw, they deserve their fate. Its not up to the arbiter to step in - the player must claim.

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Originally posted by SirLoseALot
True,it's no theoretical draw,but it was already stated that both players were making insignificant moves.So player A was clearly trying to flag player B.In such a case a draw should be declared,IMO.
You may not like it as blackplayer, but since the time is important in this game (it was a rapid 45 mins) then winning on time is as good as winning with checkmate.

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Originally posted by Mephisto2
You may not like it as blackplayer, but since the time is important in this game (it was a rapid 45 mins) then winning on time is as good as winning with checkmate.
I'm with him.

Being Canadian, I watch curling a lot and curling's got a time limit for each side to play the game. If you run out of time, you lose... even if you're ahead. That's the whole point of a timed game.

I understand the debate about the opponent simply stalling to wait out the time limit, but if you're 10 minutes behind in time and only managed to stay even in material... aren't you losing anyway?

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It depends on your point of view,I guess.If I were the one being 10 minutes up,I'd ask for a draw myself.My reasoning would be,if I wanted the win,I should have made better moves.Maybe I don't care enough about winning.

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