Nice piece of recent OTB Imagination

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11 Oct '11 02:01

greenpawn34
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11 Oct '11 02:013 edits
Jack Rudd - John Howard, Barnstaple Wednesday 10th Oct 2011.

FEN rknn4/p1p4r/QpP2p2/P2PpP2/1q2P2p/3BBP1R/4K3/6R1 w - - 0 1
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[FEN "rknn4/p1p4r/QpP2p2/P2PpP2/1q2P2p/3BBP1R/4K3/6R1 w - - 0 1"]
1. Qxc8+ {It kicks off with a Queen sac.} 1... Kxc8 2. Ba6+ Kb8 3. Rg8 {Most would stop looking at the possible Queen sac here because Black has....} 3... Qe7 4. Bc5 {It always pays to look further, this had to be seen when White sacced his Queen.} 4... bxc5 {Only move.} 5. Rh1 {And Rb1 mate. In the actual game Black did not play 3...Qe7 and was matted with Rxd8.}
yosiman
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11 Oct '11 03:17
Good stuff.

Is there any chance you have the moves leading up to that combo?
Marinkatomb
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11 Oct '11 03:50
Oh i'm loving that! Sweeeet finish! 😀
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11 Oct '11 09:35
Originally posted by greenpawn34
Jack Rudd - John Howard, Barnstaple Wednesday 10th Oct 2011.

[pgn]
[FEN "rknn4/p1p4r/QpP2p2/P2PpP2/1q2P2p/3BBP1R/4K3/6R1 w - - 0 1"]
1. Qxc8+ {It kicks off with a Queen sac.} 1... Kxc8 2. Ba6+ Kb8 3. Rg8 {Most would stop looking at the possible Queen sac here because Black has....} 3... Qe7 4. Bc5 {It always pays to look further, this had to be s ...[text shortened]... {And Rb1 mate. In the actual game Black did not play 3...Qe7 and was matted with Rxd8.}[/pgn]
Thats brilliant

I would be dithering beteween Rb1 or Rg8
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11 Oct '11 10:024 edits
Jack Rudd: http://grading.bcfservices.org.uk/getref.php?ref=118310C
John Howard: http://grading.bcfservices.org.uk/getref.php?ref=187572D

A difference in ECF grades of 134 is like the difference between Skeeter's OTB rating and his rating on here.

Anyway, here's the entire game:
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1. b3 e5 2. Bb2 Nc6 3. c4 Qf6 4. Nc3 Bc5 5. Ne4 Qe7 6. Nxc5 Qxc5 7. e3 Qe7
8. Ne2 d6 9. d4 Bg4 10. d5 Nd8 11. f3 Bh5 12. e4 f6 13. g4 Bf7 14. Ng3 g6
15. h4 h6 16. b4 b6 17. h5 Nb7 18. Qa4 Kd8 19. Qa6 Kc8 20. Bc1 Kb8
21. Be3 Nd8 22. c5 dxc5 23. bxc5 Be8 24. c6 Qb4 25. Kf2 Ne7 26. Be2 Qd6
27. Rab1 Nc8 28. hxg6 Bxg6 29. Nf5 Bxf5 30. gxf5 h5 31. Rbg1 h4 32. Rh3 Qf8
33. a4 Nd6 34. a5 Rh7 35. Bd3 Nc8 36. Ke2 Qb4 37. Qxc8 Kxc8 38. Ba6 Kb8
39. Rg8 Qb2 40. Bd2 bxa5 41. Rxd8

For those who like this sort of thing - I think I have a video of Mike Tyson knocking out a six year old girl which I can post if there's enough interest.
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11 Oct '11 10:17
Originally posted by greenpawn34
Jack Rudd - John Howard, Barnstaple Wednesday 10th Oct 2011.

[pgn]
[FEN "rknn4/p1p4r/QpP2p2/P2PpP2/1q2P2p/3BBP1R/4K3/6R1 w - - 0 1"]
1. Qxc8+ {It kicks off with a Queen sac.} 1... Kxc8 2. Ba6+ Kb8 3. Rg8 {Most would stop looking at the possible Queen sac here because Black has....} 3... Qe7 4. Bc5 {It always pays to look further, this had to be s ...[text shortened]... {And Rb1 mate. In the actual game Black did not play 3...Qe7 and was matted with Rxd8.}[/pgn]
Just having a quick glance: does the combo work?
After Rg8, my idea was Rd7!?
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11 Oct '11 10:28
Originally posted by queenabber
Just having a quick glance: does the combo work?
After Rg8, my idea was Rd7!?
sorry guys,
just worked it out

if
3..... Rd7
4 Rh4! works nicely eg 4.... Qe7
5 Rh8 Rd6
6 Bc5 bc
7 Rg1
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11 Oct '11 10:29
Very nice, a shame though that Qe7 wasn't played.
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11 Oct '11 10:57
Nice, but Rg8 in the initial position is simpler.
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11 Oct '11 11:382 edits
Hi V.

I like your 37.Rg8 then Black would almost certainly have played 37....Qe7.

Jack stated if he was Alekhine then the beautiful finish is how the game
would have ended up in print.

A few times Alkehine gave a planned finish to a game as though it actually
happened to give the game some instructive gloss.
Usually it was because his opponent failed to find the best defence and got
mated in a more mundane fashion as in the above game.
If you saw just the bare score then the Bc5 and Rh1 idea may have gone past you.

FEN rknn4/p1p4r/QpP2p2/P2PpP2/1q2P2p/3BBP1R/4K3/6R1 w - - 0 1
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[FEN "rknn4/p1p4r/QpP2p2/P2PpP2/1q2P2p/3BBP1R/4K3/6R1 w - - 0 1"]
1. Rg8 Qe7 2. Qxc8+ Kxc8 3. Ba6+ Kb8 4. Bc5 bxc5 5. Rh1
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11 Oct '11 11:52
Originally posted by greenpawn34
37.Rg8 then Black would almost certainly have played 37....Qe7
Yes.... Rg8, Qe7, Rxd8, Qxd8, Qb7 mate. Not as nice, but to the point. In OTB games I prefer to minimise the chances of errors in calculation.
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11 Oct '11 11:551 edit
Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi V.

I like your 37.Rg8 then Black would almost certainly have played 37....Qe7.

[fen]rknn4/p1p4r/QpP2p2/P2PpP2/1q2P2p/3BBP1R/4K3/6R1 w - - 0 37[/fen]
Jack stated if he was Alekhine then the beautiful finish is how the game
would have ended up in print.

A few times Alkehine gave a planned finish to a game as though it actually
happened to ...[text shortened]... e above game.
If you saw just the bare score then the Bc5 and Rh1 idea may have gone past you.
Wouldn't white simply play 38. Rxd8 after 37. Rg8 Qe7? No way to stop 39. Qb7#...

Edit: too late.... 😉
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11 Oct '11 12:291 edit
Kill joy!

We are looking for a snazzy finish.
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11 Oct '11 13:24
Originally posted by Fat Lady
For those who like this sort of thing - I think I have a video of Mike Tyson knocking out a six year old girl which I can post if there's enough interest.

ROFL!!

Great game btw!!!
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11 Oct '11 13:44
Originally posted by Varenka
Yes.... Rg8, Qe7, Rxd8, Qxd8, Qb7 mate. Not as nice, but to the point. In OTB games I prefer to minimise the chances of errors in calculation.
My philosophy as well, after too many painful experiences as a frustrated chess artitst.

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Nice piece of recent OTB Imagination