23 Jun 06
Does this mean that if you play good enough then you are banned as a cheater with no trial, no defence nor anything?
I would like to know the procedure taken to ban anyone as a cheater.
For example - why is Hebert and MaryAnne concidered cheaters?
Because someone says so? I would like to hear what theese two has to say for themselves.
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by FabianFnasI got accused of cheating in a thread a while back and as I currently have not lost a game here (because I'm new) decided to analyse a few of my finished games with Fritz, to see how suspicious I realistically looked. Alas I had missed a whole bunch of tactics and Fritz lived up to its reputation as Destroyer of Dreams. I imagine if you try it with your own games you'll find the same, somewhat depressing fact; that the statement that chess is 99% tactics is an under-estimate and sorely so.
Does this mean that if you play good enough then you are banned as a cheater with no trial, no defence nor anything?
I would like to know the procedure taken to ban anyone as a cheater.
For example - why is Hebert and MaryAnne concidered cheaters?
Because someone says so? I would like to hear what theese two has to say for themselves.
23 Jun 06
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Originally posted by FabianFnasThe problem is if they explain how they find people cheating, the cheaters will just take further steps for detection. It would be similar to how different software protection methods always get broken, because people figure out how the check works, and just work around it.
I would like to know the procedure taken to ban anyone as a cheater.
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by TommyCFritz analyzes the game from the end to the openning. I would assume to really tell if someone is using an engine, you would have to play through the game using an engine each step of the way, much like a cheater would. I would think analyzing a game from the end would give you different results. I am not sure about this though
I decided to analyse a few of my finished games with Fritz, to see how suspicious I realistically looked. Alas I had missed a whole bunch of tactics and Fritz lived up to its reputation as Destroyer of Dreams.
23 Jun 06
Originally posted by meyekalBy 'finished' I meant 'completed' - not that I only analysed the final position. I put it on inifinte analysis for a few moments for each significant position from the play. The results were . . . sad.
Fritz analyzes the game from the end to the openning. I would assume to really tell if someone is using an engine, you would have to play through the game using an engine each step of the way, much like a cheater would. I would think analyzing a game from the end would give you different results. I am not sure about this though
24 Jun 06
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Originally posted by Knight TimeI dont know anything about him. However, there seems to be higher lvl ppl around who keep track of other higher lvl ppl.
the player above has been banned
i would just like to say in my opinion he was no cheat
played him many times (never beat him) but in my humble opinion he seemed to know enough about chess to not have to cheat
anyone else out there of the same opinion?
Have heard a couple three 2000 lvl players mentioning games they had analysed and sent in to RHP of Mary Ann's. So perhaps there was some of the same thing going on with Nic.
No offense to you at all Knight Time, but perhaps Nico WAS good enough at chess to beat you, but perhaps to step it up to the big leagues and rank in the top 20 or top 10 on the player tables he needed help?
I dont necessarily think that everyone who is banned for cheating/engine use have to use it all the time.
I imagine the larger element of ppl who are cheating are just the natural one in whatever persona type who just likes to get away with something or "get ahead" without truly accomplishing anything.
However, I also believe there to be a goodish amount of ppl who are genuinely solid chess players who for whatever reason start using an engine to boost their play here and there. I'd imagine these types would take the longest and be the hardest to identify.
Never played Nico as I said, so i know nothing about him, but perhaps he was 1700 good but perhaps not 2200 good?
edit: man what is the deal with the Netherlands on RHP? the top 2 players are both from there and several of the banned members were as well!
24 Jun 06
Originally posted by Knight TimeI also played nicohuyboom a number of times. To be honest I never really thought that he was cheating, though it's not always easy to tell. He mostly played pretty strong, basically error-free chess, but a strong correspondence player who has enough time on his hands should be capable of this. In one game against me though, he rather untypically overpressed in a promising position and got punished. Very much a human frailty that; I very much doubt an engine would have played in that fashion.
the player above has been banned
i would just like to say in my opinion he was no cheat
played him many times (never beat him) but in my humble opinion he seemed to know enough about chess to not have to cheat
anyone else out there of the same opinion?
24 Jun 06
Originally posted by Northern Ladi would love to see a more detailed analysis with reference to the position (if you have the time and can be bothered).
... he rather untypically overpressed in a promising position and got punished. Very much a human frailty that; I very much doubt an engine would have played in that fashion.
24 Jun 06
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Originally posted by Northern LadAs is said before, a cheater doesn't need to cheat in every game or on every move. So if one makes a silly mistake doesn't proof that that person is not using an engine.
I also played nicohuyboom a number of times. ... Very much a human frailty that; I very much doubt an engine would have played in that fashion.
24 Jun 06
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Originally posted by adjedid you read NL's post?
As is said before, a cheater doesn't need to cheat in every game or on every move. So if one makes a silly mistake doesn't proof that that person is not using an engine.
N.L seems to be suggesting that nico exhibited a human characteristic.
you seem to be suggesting that if someone played in a way that nico did not play then that would not suggest that they are not a cheater ...
my response to you is: i do not agree with your negative indictment of no players ability not to do nothing.
(sorry to sound so silly ... and no genuine offense intended)
24 Jun 06
Originally posted by Northern LadIt may not have been strong players he used an engine against. I don't know how many in progress games he had, but there's nothing like playing indifferently against low rated players (ie more than 400 difference) to hit your rating (Game 1686478🙁). It could be that he used engines against medium ranking players he thought wouldn't notice, because to get the number of games he wanted against players of about the same strength as him he'd have to have copious numbers of games against < 2,000 players.
I also played nicohuyboom a number of times. To be honest I never really thought that he was cheating, though it's not always easy to tell. He mostly played pretty strong, basically error-free chess, but a strong correspondence player who has enough time on his hands should be capable of this. In one game against me though, he rather untypically overpre ...[text shortened]... Very much a human frailty that; I very much doubt an engine would have played in that fashion.
24 Jun 06
Originally posted by Northern LadHe had very high matchups with Fritz in most of his games with me; as high as Meman and only slightly lower than IronMan31. I did manage to win one game against him though he resigned rather early; it was a won rook pawn endgame in theory but I usually make my opponents prove it (not to mate of course, but to where the win is obvious).
I also played nicohuyboom a number of times. To be honest I never really thought that he was cheating, though it's not always easy to tell. He mostly played pretty strong, basically error-free chess, but a strong correspondence player who has enough time on his hands should be capable of this. In one game against me though, he rather untypically overpre ...[text shortened]... Very much a human frailty that; I very much doubt an engine would have played in that fashion.
24 Jun 06
Originally posted by FabianFnas😴😴😴😴
Does this mean that if you play good enough then you are banned as a cheater with no trial, no defence nor anything?
I would like to know the procedure taken to ban anyone as a cheater.
For example - why is Hebert and MaryAnne concidered cheaters?
Because someone says so? I would like to hear what theese two has to say for themselves.