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07 Dec '12 14:06

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07 Dec '12 14:061 edit
Whilst the rest of you are fawning and gushing over the those
inflated rated clowns in the Classic. I thought I’d show just a few positions
from the FIDE OPEN where the real chess is being played.

Our Chess, where we don’t need to plug in Fritz in the forlorn hope
it will tell us what is going on.

But I must you warn you T.Farrand - V.Hamitevici is not
for the faint of heart. Your toes will curl, your jaw will hit the deck
and you will thank your god that it was not you playing White that day.

But first a clever piece of calculation from GM Simon Williams.
Possibly seen a long time before I saw it.
(without a doubt seen a long time before I saw it.)

M Ferguson (2402) - S. Williams (2515) London Chess Classic FIDE Open 2012

FEN 8/4k1p1/5p2/p3p1p1/Q2p2P1/2qP1PKP/PrP1R3/8 w - - 0 30
Invert Board PGN Headers Comments

[FEN "8/4k1p1/5p2/p3p1p1/Q2p2P1/2qP1PKP/PrP1R3/8 w - - 0 30"]

30. Kf2 Rb1 31. Kg2 Qa1 {Ideally you want this Queen & Rook battery reversed. The Queen in front of the Rook. Williams overcomes that slight handicap.} 32. Qxa5 {OK 'Show me' says White, though there is not much else he can do.} 32... Rg1+ 33. Kh2 Rh1+ 34. Kg3 Qg1+ 35. Rg2 Rxh3+ {This sac had to be seen when Black played Rb1 and Qb1. Without it Black has nothing.} 36. Kxh3 Qh1+ {Rh2 is answered with Qxf3 mate.} 37. Kg3 Qh4 {Nice piece of chess that.}

J. Spychala (1521) - T. Bermingham (1959)] London Chess Classic FIDE Open 2012

Typical OTB blunder. White misses a piece going with check.
It’s a simple as that. You won’t see this in the Classic, but there again none of us
will ever be playing in the Classic. (hopefully these closed shop tournaments which
do nothing but hyper-inflate grades will soon be a thing of the past.)
So let us stick to what we do best.....Blunder with a capital ‘B’.

FEN r2bqrk1/p1p5/1p1ppn1p/1N3pp1/2PP3N/4P1P1/PPQ2PKP/R2R4 w - - 0 16
Invert Board PGN Headers Comments

[FEN "r2bqrk1/p1p5/1p1ppn1p/1N3pp1/2PP3N/4P1P1/PPQ2PKP/R2R4 w - - 0 16"]

16. Nf3 Ne4 17. Nc3 g4 {Now Ng1, Ne1, Nd2 and the game goes one. White simply missed the check.} 18. Nxe4 {OOPS!} 18... gxf3+ 19. Kxf3 fxe4+ 20. Kxe4 {Better an end without horror than a horror without end.} 20... Qg6 {That will be checkmate.}

P.Casaschi (2005) - E. Baasansuren (1795) London Chess Classic FIDE Open 2012

Black is handed the game on a plate. He suddenly remembers the grades
and gets a nose bleed.

FEN r1br2k1/1pq1bppp/p3p3/n2n4/P4P2/2NBB3/1PPNQ1PP/R4RK1 w - - 0 15
Invert Board PGN Headers Comments

[FEN "r1br2k1/1pq1bppp/p3p3/n2n4/P4P2/2NBB3/1PPNQ1PP/R4RK1 w - - 0 15"]

15. Nxd5 exd5 16. Qf2 {What a stinker! Queen and King on the same diagonal, a Bishop with no retreat.} 16... d4 {He has seen it.} 17. Bxd4 Rxd4 {Well played my son. He's blundered, he's rattled, (Qxd5 meets Bc5 winning the White Queen.) get over the next few moves and you win.} 18. Rae1 Bc5 {NO! you have got yourself all carried away. The 'winning' move is always the most dangerous move to play. It often losses. ...Be6 and nurse the extra piece to a win.} 19. Re8+ Bf8 {The Bishop that was tactically holding the d4 Rook is now pinned.} 20. Qxd4 Qc6 21. Qe4 {White now takes over as if it was all part of the plan. Chess is a cruel game.} 21... Qb6+ 22. Kh1 Nc6 {Aimed at stopping threat number 2 which was Qe7. This allows threat Number 1.} 23. Qxh7

R. Sayers(2153) - S.Whatley (1707) London Chess Classic FIDE Open 2012

A neat double exchange sac from White sees this one off.

FEN 1qr2rk1/1p3ppp/3P1b2/npP1p3/8/4BB2/PP4PP/2RQ1RK1 w - - 0 21
Invert Board PGN Headers Comments

[FEN "1qr2rk1/1p3ppp/3P1b2/npP1p3/8/4BB2/PP4PP/2RQ1RK1 w - - 0 21"]

21. Be4 Nc4 22. Rxc4 {There is the first one.} 22... bxc4 23. Rxf6 {And there is the second one. This one cannot be taken. gxf6 allows Qg4+ And Qf5.} 23... Rce8 24. Rh6 {The Rook insists on being taken.} 24... gxh6 {Black, clearly stunned fails to find the best defence g6 though White can mop up Qd5.} 25. Qg4+ Kh8 26. Qf5 Kg7 27. Qxh7+ Kf6 {Black's idea is to run to the Queenside.....} 28. Qxh6 {....but not in this game.}

T.Farrand (2200) - V.Hamitevici (2440) London Chess Classic FIDE Open 2012

Now then. Was this a blunder by Black or a gamble. You decide.
Either way it’s up there with the greatest swindles on the chessboard.

FEN 1r4k1/p4p1p/3Pp1p1/P2b4/5q2/2Q2N2/1P3KPP/3R4 w - - 0 30
Invert Board PGN Headers Comments

[FEN "1r4k1/p4p1p/3Pp1p1/P2b4/5q2/2Q2N2/1P3KPP/3R4 w - - 0 30"]

30. d7 {Now Rd7 holds but was Black's next move a blunder or a cunning unsound trap.} 30... Kf8 31. Qc8+ Kg7 32. d8=Q {So merrily sitting there with two Queens on the board was White now calculating how many grading points he will pocket and possibly who he may be playing next.} 32... Rxb2+ {It's just a check. You have been checked before and you will be checked again. Keep calm.} 33. Kg1 {From front page headlines to the funny pages. Kf1 is 1-0. Black has nothing.} 33... Rxg2+ {But now it's gone.. One can only imagine the thoughts that went through White's mind at this moment. Well not really, we have all played games like this so we know what is going through White's mind. Why me?....Why me?....Why me?} 34. Kh1 {If White had taken the Rook then it's mate in two. This move only prolongs it.} 34... Rxh2+ 35. Kg1 Qg3+ 36. Kf1 Qf2 {As Black in such situations. You shake hands and quickly walk away. Say nothing, just walk away and leave the lad alone. There are no words in the English language that can console a player after losing such a game. None.}
RJHinds
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07 Dec '12 16:04
Originally posted by greenpawn34
Whilst the rest of you are fawning and gushing over the those
inflated rated clowns in the Classic. I thought I’d show just a few positions
from the FIDE OPEN where the real chess is being played.

Our Chess, where we don’t need to plug in Fritz in the forlorn hope
it will tell us what is going on.

But I must you warn you [b] T.Farrand - V.Ha ...[text shortened]... language that can console a player after losing such a game. None.}[/pgn]
You said, "This sac had to be seen when Black played Rb1 and Qb1. Without it Black has nothing." Obviously you must mean Qa1 there.

I disagree because I saw those moves without first seeing the sac.
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07 Dec '12 16:54
This post makes me sooooooo much better right now. I was just murdering someone on another site, before making a careless, careless blunder, and resigned imediately. Glad to know I'm not the only one.
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07 Dec '12 20:50
Originally posted by RJHinds
You said, "This sac had to be seen when Black played Rb1 and Qb1. Without it Black has nothing." Obviously you must mean Qa1 there.

I disagree because I saw those moves without first seeing the sac.
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07 Dec '12 22:58
Originally posted by RJHinds
You said, "This sac had to be seen when Black played Rb1 and Qb1. Without it Black has nothing." Obviously you must mean Qa1 there.

I disagree because I saw those moves without first seeing the sac.
Because your engine showed them to you.
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08 Dec '12 01:53
Originally posted by tomtom232
Because your engine showed them to you.
You don't need an engine to see them, because they are not that hard to see. You may need an engine to see the win with the sac, however.
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08 Dec '12 02:451 edit
"I disagree because I saw those moves without first seeing the sac."

There is the difference between us and the GM's.
They tend to think first and then move.

Williams would not have burnt his bridges with Rb1 and Qa1 without
seeing the Rook sac. After White plays Qxa5 White has at the very least
a perpetual starting with Qc7+ so there was no time for the cosy Rh1.
He had to have seen the coming Rook sac 4-5 moves before it was played.

I suppose the only way to be sure is to ask him.

All Simon has said about it so far is: "It was a fun way to finish."
So someone out there with a Twitter account needs to ask him.
I bet I'm right. (I don't have or need one....I twitter enough on here.)
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08 Dec '12 02:54
Originally posted by greenpawn34

There is the difference between us and the GM's.
They tend to think first and then move.
This needed repeating for RJ
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08 Dec '12 05:49
Originally posted by RJHinds
You said, "This sac had to be seen when Black played Rb1 and Qb1. Without it Black has nothing." Obviously you must mean Qa1 there.

I disagree because I saw those moves without first seeing the sac.
why are you using bold text like JCmessy?...... uh oh
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08 Dec '12 10:54
Originally posted by RJHinds
You don't need an engine to see them, because they are not that hard to see. You may need an engine to see the win with the sac, however.
You're missing the point JC. Why would you play them if ( by your own admission you had not seen the rook sac ) you have no idea what is coming next ? Presumably you are relying on some other entity to finish the game for you.
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08 Dec '12 15:55
Originally posted by thaughbaer
You're missing the point JC. Why would you play them if ( by your own admission you had not seen the rook sac ) you have no idea what is coming next ? Presumably you are relying on some other entity to finish the game for you.
I do not always analyze games to the end. I just stated that I saw the idea of lining up the rook and queen on the back rank in order to attack the white king. What is so hard to understand about that?
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08 Dec '12 19:12
Originally posted by RJHinds
I do not always analyze games to the end. I just stated that I saw the idea of lining up the rook and queen on the back rank in order to attack the white king. What is so hard to understand about that?
So you don't deny you're JC. At least we're making some progress. Understanding what you're saying isn't difficult at all. Accepting it as an intelligent statement is a different matter altogether. Count the thumbs. You're even less popular than me. And that's no easy feat. Congratulations.
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09 Dec '12 04:11
Originally posted by thaughbaer
So you don't deny you're JC. At least we're making some progress. Understanding what you're saying isn't difficult at all. Accepting it as an intelligent statement is a different matter altogether. Count the thumbs. You're even less popular than me. And that's no easy feat. Congratulations.
You just need to get your head out, that's all. 😏
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09 Dec '12 12:371 edit
Originally posted by thaughbaer
Count the thumbs.
OK.

In the last seven posts on this forum that show up in a search (http://www.redhotpawn.com/board/search.php?threadid=0&authorname=rjhinds&dayfrom=1&monthfrom=2&yearfrom=2001&dayto=9&monthto=12&yearto=2012&page=&page=1) at the moment, RJ has been given 36 thumbs-down and no thumbs-up. 46 thumbs-down in the last ten posts, and no thumbs-up. The most recent posts don't show up, and none of them has a thumbs-up as far as I can see.

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