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  1. 13 Feb '09 04:30
    If you could make first half a dozen or so moves to have central control without your opponent moving,what would they be ?
  2. 13 Feb '09 06:00
    Originally posted by odoodsdudes
    If you could make first half a dozen or so moves to have central control without your opponent moving,what would they be ?
    1 e4
    2 Bc4
    3 Qf3
    4 Qxf7#

    If I was restricted to not moving any pieces beyond the fourth rank in this exercise, I'd play:

    1 d4
    2 e4
    3 Nc3
    4 Nf3
    5 Bc4
    6 Bf4

    All of the minor pieces and the two central pawns are either occupying or contolling the four center squares. Plus, I'm ready to castle.

    I like my position a lot, but I'd still lose to a master from this position.
  3. 17 Feb '09 14:02
    Originally posted by gaychessplayer
    1 e4
    2 Bc4
    3 Qf3
    4 Qxf7#

    If I was restricted to not moving any pieces beyond the fourth rank in this exercise, I'd play:

    1 d4
    2 e4
    3 Nc3
    4 Nf3
    5 Bc4
    6 Bf4

    All of the minor pieces and the two central pawns are either occupying or contolling the four center squares. Plus, I'm ready to castle.

    I like my position a lot, but I'd still lose to a master from this position.
    If you play patiently i.e not rush in like a fool and play the board and not the person, I believe it will not be easy to beat you.
  4. 17 Feb '09 23:02
    I agree - with this kind of a headstart, a 1500 probably beats a master

    this would be an interesting way to handicap chess games -- for every difference of (say 300) rating points, you give the underdog an extra move to start the game (with no piece allowed past the 4th rank).

    It would be interesting to see how many moves it would actually take to provide an equal game between say a 2500 and a 1500.
  5. 17 Feb '09 23:04
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    I agree - with this kind of a headstart, a 1500 probably beats a master

    this would be an interesting way to handicap chess games -- for every difference of (say 300) rating points, you give the underdog an extra move to start the game (with no piece allowed past the 4th rank).

    It would be interesting to see how many moves it would actually take to provide an equal game between say a 2500 and a 1500.
    That would be an interesting experiment.
  6. 18 Feb '09 00:18
    When I play against certain friends or family members, who do not study chess, I always give them "odds." Sometimes, I play down one pawn, or give up the first move or two. However, I found the greatest handicap is time; 30 minutes to 10 minutes, an example, for an entire game will shift the balance considerably. Actually, it can be quite fun to play in this manner and I suggest it to you all.
  7. Standard member clandarkfire
    Grammar Nazi
    18 Feb '09 00:54
    I'm not sure how many moves it takes, but I'm know that you can go to such a position where white has a forced mate, even if you cannot go past the forth rank.
  8. 18 Feb '09 04:38
    Originally posted by clandarkfire
    I'm not sure how many moves it takes, but I'm know that you can go to such a position where white has a forced mate, even if you cannot go past the forth rank.
    IIRC, Reuben Fine in his Chess the Easy Way actually showed a position that you're describing. I have the book somewhere, so I'll post the position sometime.
  9. Standard member randolph
    the walrus
    18 Feb '09 05:58
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    I agree - with this kind of a headstart, a 1500 probably beats a master

    this would be an interesting way to handicap chess games -- for every difference of (say 300) rating points, you give the underdog an extra move to start the game (with no piece allowed past the 4th rank).

    It would be interesting to see how many moves it would actually take to provide an equal game between say a 2500 and a 1500.
    Have you ever played a master OTB? It is freakin' scary how much better at chess they are than you or I. I seriously doubt that a 1500 would score over 25% against a 2200 in this situation.
  10. 19 Feb '09 04:24
    Originally posted by randolph
    Have you ever played a master OTB? It is freakin' scary how much better at chess they are than you or I. I seriously doubt that a 1500 would score over 25% against a 2200 in this situation.
    I think you're correct about this. In fact, I don't think that an average 1500-player would even score 10% in this situation.
  11. 19 Feb '09 05:05
    What would a grand master's rating be on rhp?
  12. 19 Feb '09 08:38
    lower than the engines...
  13. Standard member randolph
    the walrus
    19 Feb '09 14:27
    Originally posted by tamuzi
    lower than the engines...
    not if they actually put time and effort into their moves
  14. 19 Feb '09 19:24
    Then we would ban them, everyone knows that only 2 things beat engines;
    1. another engine
    2. a strong player assisted by an engine
  15. Standard member randolph
    the walrus
    19 Feb '09 21:42
    Originally posted by tamuzi
    Then we would ban them, everyone knows that only 2 things beat engines;
    1. another engine
    2. a strong player assisted by an engine
    3. a very strong player taking hours on each move unassisted by an engine