Originally posted by RahimKI meant who would win playing CC. Don't underestimate top CC players - many of them would be top GMS if it were not for factors such as poor remuneration, bad nerves, etc.
I'd go with OTB GM beating CC . Thats if they are playing OTB of course with time restriction ...
Originally posted by RahimKBecause their advantage of playing OTB is gone.
Playing CC i would say OTB GM would win... i mean why wouldn't they win..i don't see how they wouldn't win.....
Because top CC GMs have as much understanding of chess as top OTB GMs.
Perhaps you underestimate CC GMs because they are less famous.
Now you tell me why the OTB GMs would win.
i don't get what u're talking about... u're saying that they both play CC and they are both allowed access to a database. so then why would the CC player win? The otb gm would win because the playing field is level.. at the top level they spend tons of times preparing openings... cus their knowledge of middle and endgame is excellent... and so if they have access to a database just like the other CC player then they should win cus they don't have to worry about the opening....
Or are u saying that the two players play but the CC player can use a database while the otb player is not allowed to use an opening database?
read the article on chessbase.com about human and computer or soemthing like that.... gm and computer vs gm and computer...
u can use the computer to search opening database and endgame and check over u're varations for mistake... now if u play CC u're allowed to do all that except make the computer check variations but u can use a board and check the varaitions u're self before deciding on u're move... Thus it would be the same....
it says GM plus this computer help give elo of 3000 almost..Anand won in 3 times in the row...he's the champ..
now why do u think a CC player could beat a GM at CC?
Originally posted by RahimK
read the article on chessbase.com about human and computer or soemthing like that.... gm and computer vs gm and computer...
If you can't be bothered giving the link, I can't be bothered searching for 'something like that'.
Originally posted by RahimK
it says GM plus this computer help give elo of 3000 almost
now why do u think a CC player could beat a GM at CC?
I find it hard to believe that Magnus Carlson with a computer would score 75% against Kasparov.
Originally posted by RahimK
now why do u think a CC player could beat a GM at CC?
Please point out where I expressed such an opinion.
You think it is a foregone conclusion that the OTM masters would win.
I don't.
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http://www.chessbase.com/events/events.asp?pid=133
its basically CC expect they let u check u're varaitions using the computer program....but i mean u can check them u'reself using a board since u're allowed to do so......
u said i underestimate top cc players... i'm just saying that i don't think a CC player would stand any chance vs and OTB gm if they are playing CC or OTB for that matter...
Thanks for the link to the marketing exercise for 'Advanced Chess'.
It says "the best man-computer teams are able to achieve a performance rating of 3000 on the Elo scale (the world's strongest players are just around 2800)". Not 'GM', as you claimed. Yes, I can see Anand + Deep Fritz/Junior/Shredder scoring about 75% against Kasparov.
Originally posted by RahimK
i'm just saying that i don't think a CC player would stand any chance vs and OTB gm if they are playing CC or OTB for that matter...
In the latter case, OTB would sometimes blunder, CC wouldn't.
If we blindfolded the OTB lot and tied both hands behind their backs, do you think the CC mob could possibly win on time?
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