16 Oct 07
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1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e5
In most databases, black plays e6 instead of e5 and white gets a decent game from it. In all my CC games so far using this line (a line I have recently adopted over Be3) black plays e5 instead. This apparently gives white a reasonably significant advantage but I can't do anything with it. How is this meant to be continued?
White to move.
16 Oct 07
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Originally posted by KaworukunI agree. I had this position in an OTB game, and there's no way to kick the knight out of d5 after white takes on f6, except to fianchetto the bishop in the queenside, then white allows the trade (preferably taking with the queen or a rook instead of the e pawn) and you (as black) are left with problems with the weak (and fixed) backward d pawn, which also makes it hard for your dark square bishop to get into the game. at least, these were what I had gone through in that game with black, I don't know if these problems are just superficial.
Once had a gm show me what to do in this line. I cant rember what to do. Excpet play bishop takes knight on f6. Then put your knight on d5. I think the whole point of the opening is the good knight.
16 Oct 07
Originally posted by ih8sensis there no threat for exd4 that needs to be dealt with?
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e5
In most databases, black plays e6 instead of e5 and white gets a decent game from it. In all my CC games so far using this line (a line I have recently adopted over Be3) black plays e5 instead. This apparently gives white a reasonably significant advantage but I can't do anything with it. How is ...[text shortened]... [fen]rnbqkb1r/1p3ppp/p2p1n2/4p1B1/3NP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/R2QKB1R w KQkq - 0 1[/fen]
White to move.
16 Oct 07
I don't think that line is best. It's pretty apparent that black will play a-la Sveshnikov after Bxf6, replying with gxf6, and looking to play f5. That's fine, white still maintains some edge by Bxf6 gxf6 Nb3, looking to play something like Qf3, Bd3, Nd5, clamping down on all the light squares.
16 Oct 07
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Originally posted by zzywThat is the right line.
White deals with the threat by 7. Bxf6 Qxf6 8. Nd5 Qd8 9. Nf5
...gxf6 may be playable
But Nf5!, not Nb3
one game continued
.... Bxf5
exf5 Nc6
Bc4! Be7
Qh5 O-O
O-O-O Nd4
Rh-e1 Qc8
Rxd4 exd4
Re4
Black Resigns
Thematically the problem with this whole system is that Black has surrendered control of d5.
Bc4! is going to be a strong move whenever white plays it.
Nd5 is also going to be strong.
The Najdorf often revolves around control of the d5 square.
17 Oct 07
Originally posted by Red Nightmuch in the same way that Caro-Kann revolves around e5?
That is the right line.
...gxf6 may be playable
But Nf5!, not Nb3
one game continued
.... Bxf5
exf5 Nc6
Bc4! Be7
Qh5 O-O
O-O-O Nd4
Rh-e1 Qc8
Rxd4 exd4
Re4
Black Resigns
Thematically the problem with this whole system is that Black has surrendered control of d5.
Bc4! is going to be a strong move whenever white plays it. ...[text shortened]...
Nd5 is also going to be strong.
The Najdorf often revolves around control of the d5 square.
17 Oct 07
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Originally posted by ih8sensI believe that the advantage comes about if white plays Bxf6
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e5
In most databases, black plays e6 instead of e5 and white gets a decent game from it. In all my CC games so far using this line (a line I have recently adopted over Be3) black plays e5 instead. This apparently gives white a reasonably significant advantage but I can't do anything with it. How is ...[text shortened]... [fen]rnbqkb1r/1p3ppp/p2p1n2/4p1B1/3NP3/2N5/PPP2PPP/R2QKB1R w KQkq - 0 1[/fen]
White to move.
-sorry zzyw beat me to it.