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Originally posted by rubberjaw30I don't play the GP/TK I play the KG. But, in your line it looks like you messed up somewhere because 7.dxc5 wins a bishop...
on that note, let's change the discussion to the Italian Game besides the Giuoco Piano or the Giuoco Pianissimo
let's say:
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bc4 Bc5
4. c3 Nf6
5. d4 exd4
6. cxd4 Nxe4
7. d5
what happens?
i am to the understanding that this system has been studied extensively for AGES!
cmsmaster, do you play this as white, or encounter it as black often?
what do you think?
Originally posted by allosterylol, in high level tournament play, you will NEVER see the QGA
lots of great info on this post. I like it 😉
I've turned into a 1.d4'er, but still experiment. There's no way to pick one "way" to be comfortable without playing around with openings as you gain experience. I used to be an e4'er but I found that I played a better (and earlier) threat to black with a d4 start.
QGA is always nice! (for white)
it will always be declined with either 2. ... e6 or my favorite 2. ... c6
still need some feedback on the Marshall Attack as listed in my above post...
Originally posted by allosterylol, in high level tournament play, you will NEVER see the QGA
lots of great info on this post. I like it 😉
I've turned into a 1.d4'er, but still experiment. There's no way to pick one "way" to be comfortable without playing around with openings as you gain experience. I used to be an e4'er but I found that I played a better (and earlier) threat to black with a d4 start.
QGA is always nice! (for white)
it will always be declined with either 2. ... e6 or my favorite 2. ... c6
still need some feedback on the Marshall Attack as listed in my above post...
3 words: King's Indian Attack
the thing that I really like about this opening is that after 1. e4 you can play it against most any black response except 1. ...d5, though it's probably not the best idea for meeting e5 and Nf6. But it's an opening that you can always fall back on when you're amending your repertoire
Originally posted by rubberjaw30I've tended to see 1. ...Nf6 as opposed to ...d5 in the first place.
lol, in high level tournament play, you will NEVER see the QGA
it will always be declined with either 2. ... e6 or my favorite 2. ... c6
still need some feedback on the Marshall Attack as listed in my above post...
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Originally posted by rubberjaw30With the Marshall's attack. Although I'm not familiar with it, it appears that black has an opportunity for "space advantage." (EveRyDay told me about that.)
lol, in high level tournament play, you will NEVER see the QGA
it will always be declined with either 2. ... e6 or my favorite 2. ... c6
still need some feedback on the Marshall Attack as listed in my above post...
(space advantage is when one color has much more control on the board - say 6 horizontal ranks, while the other is trapped, say to 3 ranks.)
Originally posted by rubberjaw30In Fischer-Spassky ('72 I think..) it occured twice, drawing both times. Obviously, Fischer was black in both.
lol, in high level tournament play, you will NEVER see the QGA
it will always be declined with either 2. ... e6 or my favorite 2. ... c6
still need some feedback on the Marshall Attack as listed in my above post...
Originally posted by RamnedYeah, because Everyday's such a great chessplayer...
With the Marshall's attack. Although I'm not familiar with it, it appears that black has an opportunity for "space advantage." (EveRyDay told me about that.)
Black gets some insane initiative with the Marshall - quite playable from both sides still, it's been played at even the very highest levels in recent tournaments.
Originally posted by RamnedSpace is basically the room your pieces have to move around - a lot of times it's based on how the pawns are located, if your pawns are 3 rows up the board on the queenside you have a lot of space over there. Black has both space and initiative - i.e. black's dictating play, attacking - in the Marshall.
With the Marshall's attack. Although I'm not familiar with it, it appears that black has an opportunity for "space advantage." (EveRyDay told me about that.)
(space advantage is when one color has much more control on the board - say 6 horizontal ranks, while the other is trapped, say to 3 ranks.)
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Originally posted by Ramnedi have to say, being a 1550 and just now coming to grips with the term space advantage is humorous...
I won't assume your opinion, then.
but that's besides the point...
space advantage is not a huge advantage that should be celebrated...
look at the following line:
1. d4 Nf6
2. c4 g6
3. Nc3 Bg7
4. e4 0-0 (or d6, or e6, or some other move involving a pawn push on the queenside... say, speaking of which, wasn't 4. ... Na6?! gaining popularity for a while? what happened to it?)
5. f4
white has a ridiculously large amount of space, yet this opening, the Fearsome Four Pawns Attack is rarely seen at GM level from what I can see...
though white gets the gigantic space advantage and black seems caught somewhere between a rock and a hard place along the line separating the 7th and 6th ranks...
black can often undermine all the space white has left hanging...
usually with a timely b or c-pawn push
indeed, sometimes, on my own error, i have completely suffocated on these back files and resigned due to lack of any constructive move!
Originally posted by cmsMasteri forget...
Yeah, because Everyday's such a great chessplayer...
Black gets some insane initiative with the Marshall - quite playable from both sides still, it's been played at even the very highest levels in recent tournaments.
how does the exchange on c3 usually play out again?
i'm entirely unfamiliar with this line...
in your post about black's initiative but still playable for both sides...
does hat make it weak for white?
with the aid of modern computer analysis, has it been refuted yet?