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Paul Leggett
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Hi all,

Greenpawn34 posted this in another thread, and I wanted to comment without hijacking the thread.

Apparently GM Ray Keene has been busted:

http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5043&start=285

I wonder how many others have taken the easy way. I own Winning with the King's Indian by GM Gufeld, and Tactics in the King's Indian by Correspondence World Champion Gennady Nesis, and I read them in that order.

Imagine my surprise when I read games 30 and 31 in Nesis's book (Zita-Bronstein and Pachman-Bronstein from the 1946 Prague-Moscow match) and realized I had read them before. Not the moves, but the notes!

I don't know which one copied the other (or if Nesis published under Gufeld's name for sales reasons), but I was annoyed that I had paid for the same annotated games twice.

That said, they are both excellent and very enjoyable reads!

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Originally posted by Paul Leggett
Hi all,

Greenpawn34 posted this in another thread, and I wanted to comment without hijacking the thread.

Apparently GM Ray Keene has been busted:

http://www.ecforum.org.uk/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5043&start=285

I wonder how many others have taken the easy way. I own Winning with the King's Indian by GM Gufeld, and [i]Tactics in the King' ...[text shortened]... the same annotated games twice.

That said, they are both excellent and very enjoyable reads!
LOL, hes called the 'penguin', that's brilliant.

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I like "R D Kobe" as well as it takes the mickey out of his fondness for mentioning his OBE (awarded for services to plagiarism).

Once someone reaches a "certain age" (25? 30? I'm not sure really) I think you can often judge their character by the face they've ended up with. By then a couple of decades of sneering at people has probably left them with a permanent sneer. In contrast, laugh lines are probably in place by then if the person has done enough laughing. Here is what Ray Keene looks like:
http://www.chess.co.uk/kingpin/Kingpin/raylevy.htm

Would you buy a used chess column from this man?

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No

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Originally posted by Fat Lady
I like "R D Kobe" as well as it takes the mickey out of his fondness for mentioning his OBE (awarded for services to plagiarism).

Once someone reaches a "certain age" (25? 30? I'm not sure really) I think you can often judge their character by the face they've ended up with. By then a couple of decades of sneering at people has probably left them with a ...[text shortened]... /www.chess.co.uk/kingpin/Kingpin/raylevy.htm

Would you buy a used chess column from this man?
Please, that isn't his good side.
https://scontent-a-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash2/26535_376231099337_7702335_n.jpg?lvh=1

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http://streathambrixtonchess.blogspot.co.uk/

I've been reading the S&B blog for a wee while now and the amount of blatant copying by Keene is amazing. Even if only half of it is true then this guy has no scruples at all.

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Edward Winter v Raymond Keene & Eric Schiller

http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/keene.html

This very amusing book review of World Champion Combinations
highlights more than anything I ever read about RDK's exploits.

This bit when delving into RDK's character is relevant:

He [RKD] was obliged to make a settlement when legal action was
threatened (see Inside Chess, 2/1994, page 3) following the discovery
that one of his books had plagiarized John Donaldson’s openings analysis.

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What a great lead-in question by Horton.

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Not surprised to hear this about Keene,his books are all rubbish except for the one he did on Nimzovich. Schiller probably rates right down there as one of the worst chess writers of all time-his books are little more than analysis and material he has lifted from various data-bases.

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Originally posted by sundown316
Not surprised to hear this about Keene,his books are all rubbish except for the one he did on Nimzovich. Schiller probably rates right down there as one of the worst chess writers of all time-his books are little more than analysis and material he has lifted from various data-bases.
His Flank Openings book is excellent, and shows that he does not need to plagiarize to produce quality work.

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That Edward Winter article is very good.

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Originally posted by sundown316
Not surprised to hear this about Keene,his books are all rubbish except for the one he did on Nimzovich. Schiller probably rates right down there as one of the worst chess writers of all time-his books are little more than analysis and material he has lifted from various data-bases.
An Opening Repertoire for the Attacking Player by Ray Keene and David Levy has provided me with many of the weapons I use as white.
I guess Dave must wrote all the good stuff. 😕

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Why are chess fights so juicy?

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Hi CP

'An Opening Repertoire for the Attacking Player' Yes good book and I think
you are right Levy would have put a lot more work into it.

RDK and Levy are ex-brothers in law and had a nasty falling out that
found it's way into print in the chess magazines.

More here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Keene

I don't know why RDK is so lazy, he can write. His 'How I Became a GM'
is very good and a few of his other books are OK as well.

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Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi CP

'An Opening Repertoire for the Attacking Player' Yes good book and I think
you are right Levy would have put a lot more work into it.

RDK and Levy are ex-brothers in law and had a nasty falling out that
found it's way into print in the chess magazines.

More here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Keene

I don't know why RDK is so ...[text shortened]... he can write. His 'How I Became a GM'
is very good and a few of his other books are OK as well.
Thanks GP, but I never said it was a good book, I said it influenced my play.
Big difference. 😉

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