Hi All,
Please could you have a look at this game and give analysis for both sides (I played white). The last move (16. Rf3) was a blunder and a resgined the game at this point.
However, I'd like to look at the accuracy of play up until that point. In particular I'm not sure that 12. 0-0 was a good move.
Thanks in advance!
Hi
Can we know how the game...
Did white lose ?
well, it seem you played a good game, taking free pawns and freeing theknight you hindered.....
the first mistake is Bxg4, as Rxf6 is far better. If he take your rook, a free piece for you, a bishop,. and if refuse, you can do Rf5 or move it somewhere else, incase he do not etheir the rook or the bishop...
ANd you may right,
Bxg4 is bad, but 12. 0-0 is prefectly good, how long you intend to post-phone castling ?
maybe you could still resist with g3.... but black was good after recovring his lost pawn.
You should just watch, before exchanging. Because every time, someone exchange a piece, in order to trigger it, he pay, he pay a tempio. , where he do nothing, and the ennemy, advance.
He could move his knight, you just remove two bishop from play.... not good.
Rxf6 hoverer.... was killing.
After Bxe2 there is a Rf5... attack on the queen, and we take the bishop next move..
you should not really worry about this.
Just say you will win next time.
Originally posted by KingoftheRinkHi!
Hi All,
Please could you have a look at this game and give analysis for both sides (I played white). The last move (16. Rf3) was a blunder and a resgined the game at this point.
However, I'd like to look at the accuracy of play up until that point. In particular I'm not sure that 12. 0-0 was a good move.
Thanks in advance!
[pgn][Event "Ch 3. Bc1e3 Bd4xe3 14. fxe3 Bd7g4 15. Be2xg4 Nf6xg4 16. Rf1f3 0-1[/pgn]
Just a few things you might want to look into...
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 d5 4. Qa4 d4 - d4 is okay...
For the price of a pawn, black may have better options
(4. .. Bd7 5. exd5 Nd4 6. Qd1 Nxf3+
7. Qxf3 Nf6 8. c4 Bc5)
5. Nxe5 Qe7 6. cxd4 Bd7 7. Bb5 - Bb5 is ok
Better is either Qb3 attacking both b7 and f7, or Qc4 attacking f7,
(7. Qb3 O-O-O 8. Qxf7)
7. .. Nxe5 8. dxe5 c6 9. Be2 Qxe5 10. Nc3 Bc5 11. d3 Bd4 - Bd4?
Better is (11. .. b5)
Or (11. .. Nf6)
12. O-O Nf6 13. Be3 - Be3? Doesn't seem to fit for white here
Much Better is (13. Bf4 Qxf4 14. Qxd4) Where white centralizes his queen drastically
increasing her value.
13. .. Bxe3 14. fxe3 Bg4 15. Bxg4 - Not bad, but not overly beneficial, trading
off the bishop feels counter-intuitive here.
Interesting exchange options here exist, especially with so many pawns on the
board, the following should be deeply considered: (15. Rxf6 Qxf6 16. Bxg4)
15. .. Nxg4 16. Rf3 - Rf3? clearly a mistake, however, one square farther is
playable here. (16. Rf4)
P.S. 12. O - O seems intuitive to me.
-GIN
I noticed a couple thing about the opening:
First 3. c3. Personally, I find d4 to be a stronger opening. I’m sure volumes have been written about that (and I’m willing to be someone will post saying why I’m talking out of my hat).
And then 4.Qd1a4. The board is way too crowded to bring out the queen. It’s too easy for her to get trapped. With Bb5, the knight would have been pinned and then traded for the bishop (again, it’s personal – I value knights over bishops).
Either way, I think AudreyxSophie give great advice Just say you will win next time.
Originally posted by AudreyxSophieRec'd
Hi
Can we know how the game...
Did white lose ?
well, it seem you played a good game, taking free pawns and freeing theknight you hindered.....
the first mistake is Bxg4, as Rxf6 is far better. If he take your rook, a free piece for you, a bishop,. and if refuse, you can do Rf5 or move it somewhere else, incase he do not etheir the r ...[text shortened]... op next move..
you should not really worry about this.
Just say you will win next time.
You played pretty well,except for a couple of moves,IMO. First,Qa4 was not that great,Bb5 was much better. then when he played Bd7,I think you should have played Nxd7,keeping the pin on his Knight. You were two pawns up,but you most likely would have had to give back at least one of them to finish your development.
Hi, first post on this forum. 🙂 I'm not a spectacular player by any measure, but might as well offer yet another view.
It's been said that Qa4 might not have been the best opening attack, but it seems to have scared black for a few moves, so we'll run with it. It's fine to get the queen out early, but there was a point where that line of attack on black's king was blocked. Bc8d7 should have been your cue to reposition the queen. Bringing the bishop up to reinforce a blocked line of attack (Bc8d7) was a mistake, especially when it was sent home so easily with a pawn. From there, you lost moves which should have been used to bring other pieces up, carrying the momentum gained from teh initial attack and setting up another attack on a different angle (any different angle).
Kingside castling is the next major mistake i can see. Black queen and bishop in teh centre (both looking at the empty space kingside) should have been an alarm bell. White king wasn't threatened enough (at all?) to justify castling to the side where all your pieces weren't... Queenside castling could have been done with only one extra move, and would have been the only real option, if castling had to be done.
(Skipping Be2xg4)
Rf1f3 was a mistake, niether blocking the line of attack, nor threatening the attackers. g3, f4, Rf4 was the only way to block that direct threat, assuming black followed through with the attack as best as possible after each move.
As for Black, it's a bit hard to tell what he was thinking. Your initial queen attack should have been blocked sooner. He was forced to trade horses (Nc6xe5) as much through earlier wasted moves of his own as through pressure applied by you, but it did the job eventually, ending the initial attack, and giving him a foothold in the centre. Earlier use of the pawns that he didn't seem to want to touch might have got him the same result cheaper, however.
Bd4xe3 was an odd trade by black. c5 (again, pawns) would have given his bishop some backup (if that's what he was worried about) as well threatening white queen.
All of the above is meaningless, however, compared to your only real mistake. The game was far from lost and any number of moves could have been made instead of playing xg1. Assuming black followed through correctly after the check, you would've only been one major piece down (rook). Not enough to warrant hitting the resign button. 😉
Originally posted by Sever
Rf1f3 was a mistake, niether blocking the line of attack, nor threatening the attackers. g3, f4, Rf4 was the only way to block that direct threat, assuming black followed through with the attack as best as possible after each move.
Ok, not the only way. Rf4 does the job, without too much further messing of the king defense.
Kingside castling is the next major mistake i can see. Black queen and bishop in teh centre (both looking at the empty space kingside) should have been an alarm bell. White king wasn't threatened enough (at all?) to justify castling to the side where all your pieces weren't... Queenside castling could have been done with only one extra move, and would have been the only real option, if castling had to be done.Relatively speaking, I think castling was the best move in the position, as black's pieces in the center are more exposed than threatening with black's king still in the center.
Am example of the exposure is a subsequent Bf4 by white, which would exchange the bishops if black recaptures with the queen, as white could capture the bishop on d4 with his. If black chooses to give up his bishop to win a pawn on c3, white has better development and a pawn center as compensation for his troubles.
White certainly has other reasonable moves beyond castling, so there could be some debate about what is best, but I certainly don't see castlinig as a "major mistake". Just my opinion and preference, but I think it is probably the best move in the position, and it's what I would have played.
Paul
Edit: spelling correction!