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This is my game against a friend. I am black and I tried to play dragon variation, but he didn't know it. It is 45min per player time control, played on real board.
In the early opening I felt a little bit claustrophobic but I think my middlegame plan was pretty good. Was that plan weak? Could my opponent (as white) defend better?

Can you tell me what would you do different? I play as black.
And yes, is this still very poor playing, too bad to go to chess club by feeling like complete patzer? On what level of rating do you think white and black players in this game are, I know it's a little bit stupid question, but at least approximative?

I have game in pgn so you can put it into fritz or something if you want.

Please!

Thanks for helping.




[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result 0-1]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. c3 g6 4. d4 cxd4 5. cxd4 Bg7 6. Nc3 Nf6 7. Bb5+
Bd7 8. Bxd7+ Qxd7 9. h3 O-O 10. Bf4 Re8 11. Qd2 Nc6 12. Bh6 e5 13. d5 Nd4
14. Nxd4 exd4 15. Bxg7 dxc3 16. Qd3 Rxe4+ 17. Kf1 cxb2 18. Rb1 Kxg7
19. Rxb2 Rae8 20. Rb1 Qe7 21. Qc3 b5 22. a3 Rc4 23. Qd2 Ne4 24. Qb2+
Nc3 25. g3 f6 26. Ra1 Qe2+ 27. Qxe2 Nxe2 28. Re1 Rc1 29. Kg2
Nf4+ 30. gxf4 Rexe1 31. Rxe1 Rxe1

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Some help would be appreciated 🙁

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Originally posted by ivan2908
Some help would be appreciated 🙁
I'm at work right now. Don't have an chess program here.

Are they any online programs where you can paste pgn and view without downloading the program?

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I doubt, but if you can give quick look whenever will it be possilble for you, I will be really gratefull! I can wait, it is not urgent 🙂

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[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "62"]

{by Shinidoki+Fritz 8 (infinite analysis)} 1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. c3 g6 4. d4
cxd4 5. cxd4 Bg7 6. Nc3 Nf6 7. Bb5+ Bd7 8. Bxd7+ {Nbxd7 is probably better}
Qxd7 9. h3 O-O 10. Bf4 Re8 (10... Nxe4 11. Nxe4 Qf5 $1) 11. Qd2 Nc6 12. Bh6 e5
(12... Nxe4 13. Nxe4 Qe6 14. O-O {(intending f5)} (14. Nfg5 $2 Bxh6 15. Nxe6
Bxd2+ 16. Nxd2 fxe6)) 13. d5 Nd4 14. Nxd4 {...Bad move by white} exd4 15. Bxg7
$2 (15. Qxd4 $2 {It actually took fritz a while to see this move is crap:-}
Bxh6 16. Qxf6 Bg7 17. Qf3 Bxc3+ 18. bxc3 Rxe4+ 19. Kf1) 15... dxc3 16. Qd3
Rxe4+ 17. Kf1 cxb2 18. Rb1 Kxg7 19. Rxb2 Rae8 20. Rb1 Qe7 21. Qc3 b5 22. a3 Rc4
23. Qd2 Ne4 24. Qb2+ Nc3 25. g3 f6 26. Ra1 Qe2+ (26... Qe4 {
..is more forcing....}) 27. Qxe2 Nxe2 28. Re1 Rc1 29. Kg2 Nf4+ 30. gxf4 Rexe1
31. Rxe1 Rxe1 *

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Thanks for the fritz analysis shinidoki! I will go through the game with this analysis. But I would also like to hear opinion from human perspective...

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Originally posted by ivan2908
Thanks for the fritz analysis shinidoki! I will go through the game with this analysis. But I would also like to hear opinion from human perspective...
Some comments:

I think Shinidoki's wrong about 8...Nbxd7 being better than 8...Qxbd7, in one of my OTB games as black I faced the line 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+ Bd7 4.Bxd7 - here I played 4...Nbxd7, which is fine, and I won, but after the game I looked up some material about the line and found that 4...Qxd7 is more common as black generally likes to develop the knight to the more active c6.

However, after 3.c3 I think you should have followed with 3...Nf6 which is much more common. Ironically enough in one of today's Linares/Morelia games the line with 3.c3 was played! (I think in the Topalov game) - you should check that game out, it's still being played.

14...exd4? isn't best - 14...Bxh6 15.Qxh6 dxe4 -+

After move 14 this game is over, Nxd4 just about loses, and Bxg7 loses for sure. 15.Qxd4 is probably white's best move actually when material is even for a while, but black has just way too dominant a position.


Shinidoki's comments and analysis are generally pretty accurate, though I would have said 14.?? and 15.??.

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The post that was quoted here has been removed
Damn, I didn't realize that - that's ridiculous...

Test test...

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Nope. I edited it. Firstly it was written something different (I wrote that I had messed up my pgn) and then I wrote that about help, it was much, much later!

I am not stupid, I know that people can't read thread and analyze game in 3 minutes 🙂

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Originally posted by ivan2908
Nope. I edited it. Firstly it was written something different and then I wrote that, much, much later!
But even then, you started whining three minutes after the original post...whatever it was.

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Now it is more clear isn't it? Anyway, thanks for helping, cmsMaster

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Originally posted by ivan2908
Now it is more clear isn't it? Anyway, thanks for helping, cmsMaster
Yep, no problem.

BTW:The game is Morozevich-Topalov

Topalov played 3...Nf6 and the game looks somewhat even right now, I suspect a draw...

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Originally posted by ivan2908
Thanks for the fritz analysis shinidoki! I will go through the game with this analysis. But I would also like to hear opinion from human perspective...
it was me, AND fritz looking at the game 🙂


anyway, as for Nbxd7/Qxd7

I think Nbxd7 better because it is simple; we develop a peice which has lots of nice squares it could go to later on (eg. b6, c5, e5, f6)....and also, making Rc8 possible, claiming the open file

as for Qd7, I'm not really sure what this achieves, other than protecting b7, and of course, taking the bishop.

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Wow I think you played really well!

For Human comments I don't have to much.

3...Nf6 attacking the e4 pawn. Since white played 3...c3 he can't defend that pawn with Nc3.

And then instead of Qe7 I thought Qf5 was good on move 20...

It attacks the d5 pawn again and threatens Re1+ picking up the undefended white queen.


Very nice game to be proud off 🙂

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