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  1. Standard member ivan2908
    SelfProclaimedTitler
    22 Apr '07 20:17
    And question: I know system means that you develop by scheme and somewhat ignoring your opponent. But what if he tries to transpose, for example to benoni by 1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 c5 ??? Should I follow my Colle idea. I like this system very much and in Logical chess plan behind this opening is described very nice!

    So this is now one of few openings which plan I really understand. What are your thoughts?
  2. 22 Apr '07 23:20 / 2 edits
    Game 2818553

    i wanted to keep my white bishop on to keep as much pressure on e4 and their king's side, it proved useful as i knew as soon as i played e3-e4 the game would open up for me, which is the main idea behind the colle.
  3. 22 Apr '07 23:29
    Originally posted by soulby
    Game 2818553

    i wanted to keep my white bishop on to keep as much pressure on e4 and their king's side, it proved useful as i knew as soon as i played e3-e4 the game would open up for me, which is the main idea behind the colle.
    that was very nice
  4. Standard member mipmcpt
    manchester clan
    22 Apr '07 23:42
    I play the colle quite a bit. I think one of the best moves for black which causes this system real difficulties is when black moves his bishop out early to F5. Which challenged the whites bishop!!
  5. Standard member mipmcpt
    manchester clan
    22 Apr '07 23:44 / 1 edit
    Game 2879795

    This game shows what said above!!
  6. 23 Apr '07 00:40
    If black plays 3)..Bf4 either play Bd3 and if he takes you usually get to straighten out your pawn center with e4 at the right time. Otherwise play c4 immediately.
  7. 23 Apr '07 00:54
    Originally posted by soulby
    Game 2818553

    i wanted to keep my white bishop on to keep as much pressure on e4 and their king's side, it proved useful as i knew as soon as i played e3-e4 the game would open up for me, which is the main idea behind the colle.
    cxd4 is usual however to keep the knight out of b4 (which loses time for white) and also to open up the c1-h6 diagonal. I play the BDG as well so I like that diagonal open. Nice game however!
  8. Standard member ivan2908
    SelfProclaimedTitler
    23 Apr '07 06:46
    I played this system firstly with my friend two days ago, he has 1850 FIDE rating but he found himself in difficulties on his kingside in the opening. Later he recovered and slaughtered me, but he told me that it was pretty effective opening. I like all that pressurizing of the e4 square... Thanks for your games guys I will try to have good look at them! Any more games?
  9. Standard member ivan2908
    SelfProclaimedTitler
    23 Apr '07 06:50 / 1 edit
    Question for strong players: should white ignore black development if it interfere with this system, like this f5 bishop from game submitted by mipmcpt?

    What should white do? I mean when he lets you to attack e4 than fine, but what if he does everything he can't to prevent it? Should then white find a new goal or insist on disputing e4?
  10. 23 Apr '07 07:07
    Originally posted by ivan2908
    Question for strong players: should white ignore black development if it interfere with this system, like this f5 bishop from game submitted by mipmcpt?

    What should white do? I mean when he lets you to attack e4 than fine, but what if he does everything he can't to prevent it? Should then white find a new goal or insist on disputing e4?
    Stay flexible. I usually just play c4 in response to Bf5. I've also played Bd3 and let them double my d pawns. The worst thing to do is to dick around losing time trying to save that king's bishop.

    Anyway, here's one that I lost. Extreme time pressure,


    1.d4 d5 2.e3 Bf5 3.Bd3 Bg6 4.Bxg6 fxg6 5.Nc3 Nf6 6.f3 e6 7.Qd3 a6 8.Bd2 Nc6 9.Nce2 Bd6 10.0-0-0 Qe7 11.e4 Bb4 12.c3 Ba5 13.e5 Nd7 14.h4 b5 15.Bg5 Qf7 16.b4 Bb6 17.Rf1 Na7 18.g4 a5 19.a3 axb4 20.axb4 h6 21.Be3 Nc8 22.Kb2 c6 23.f4 Nf8 24.Nf3 Qd7 25.Ng3 Bd8 26.h5 Nb6 27.Nd2 Qf7 28.f5 exf5 29.gxf5 g5 30.e6 Qa7 31.Ra1 Na4+ 32.Kc2 Nh7 33.Nf3 0-0 34.Ne5 Qc7 35.Bd2 Nf6 36.Rhe1 Be7 37.Ng6 Rfb8 38.Nxe7+ Qxe7 39.Qe2 Ne8 40.Nf1 Nd6 41.Qg4 Nb6 42.Rxa8 Rxa8 43.Kd3 Ra3 44.Ne3 Ne4 45.Re2 Na4 46.Nd1 Ra2 47.Nf2 Nd6 48.Nh3 Ra3 49.Kc2 Ne4 50.Rxe4 dxe4 51.Qxe4 Qe8 52.e7 Nb6 53.Qe6+ Kh8 54.f6 gxf6 55.Qxf6+ Kg8 56.Qd6?? Terrible move [56.Qe6+!! Kg7 57.Bxg5 Ra2+ 58.Kd3 Nd7 59.Qxh6+ Kg8 60.Qe6+ Kg7 61.h6+ Kh7 62.Qf5+ Kg8 63.Bh4 Rg2 64.Ng5 Qxe7 65.Qg6+ Kf8 66.Ne6+ Qxe6 67.Qxe6 ]

    56...Ra2+ 57.Kd3 Rxd2+ 58.Ke4 Re2+ 59.Kd3 Rxe7 0-1
  11. 23 Apr '07 07:20
    Originally posted by giantrobot
    cxd4 is usual however to keep the knight out of b4 (which loses time for white) and also to open up the c1-h6 diagonal. I play the BDG as well so I like that diagonal open. Nice game however!
    I meant exd4 of course
  12. Standard member mipmcpt
    manchester clan
    23 Apr '07 17:17
    These threads really useful for me! ant more thoughts on this system!!
  13. Standard member ivan2908
    SelfProclaimedTitler
    23 Apr '07 17:53
    Yeap thank you very much! I will master this opening and become killer co(0)lle ! More colle games please
  14. Standard member mipmcpt
    manchester clan
    23 Apr '07 18:05 / 4 edits
  15. Standard member mipmcpt
    manchester clan
    23 Apr '07 18:07
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