Hello,
Can someone please help me understand the following position:-
http://www.eudesign.com/chessops/mard-06a.htm
Why is b7 now a poisoned pawn. I do not see why the Queen cannot escape after taking it? If the rook moves to B8 can the queen not move to c6, taking the knight and giving check, and escape from there, or is rook to b8 not the trap. D5 - b4 perhaps..?
Rob
Hi
After the moves.
1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nf6 3. cxd5 Nxd5 4. Nf3 Bf5 5. Qb3 Nc6 6. Qxb7
Black plays 6...Nd5-b4 holding c6 and hitting c2.
If White holds c2 with the standard Na3 - Rb8 wins the queen.
However all is not too cosy. After 6...Nd5-b4 Black has 7.Qb5.
(watch that Bishop on f5.)
Now can Black jump onto c2 with a check.
After Kd1 a few pieces are hanging.....
BaronVonChickenpants what would you play here?
Poison pawns are not immune to capture otherwise it would be a trap. Capturing a poisoned pawn will lead to positional or tactical problems. P.S. Looking at a database I do not think that White should take the b pawn. This opening is named after G M Frank Marshall.
Originally posted by greenpawn34in your 2nd diagram what about e5!? then if nxe5 qxd4 with threat of n-c2#
Hi
After the moves.
1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nf6 3. cxd5 Nxd5 4. Nf3 Bf5 5. Qb3 Nc6 6. Qxb7
[fen]r2qkb1r/pQp1pppp/2n5/3n1b2/3P4/5N2/PP2PPPP/RNB1KB1R b KQkq - 0 6[/fen]
Black plays 6...Nd5-b4 holding c6 and hitting c2.
If White holds c2 with the standard Na3 - Rb8 wins the queen.
[fen]1r1qkb1r/pQp1pppp/2n5/5b2/1n1P4/N4N2/PP2PPPP/R1B1KB1R w KQk - 0 ...[text shortened]... uld you play here?
[fen]r2qkb1r/p1p1pppp/2n5/1Q3b2/3P4/5N2/PPn1PPPP/RNBK1B1R b kq - 0 8[/fen]
Some examples from RHP of the QNP getting snaffed
by the Queen leading to an early bath.
First a thoughtless pawn grab by White.
What else did he expect Black to play after 7.Qxb7.
This is called thinking ½ a move ahead.
wijk - Duijn2 RHP 2007 (these two have played each other over 100 times).
Dynamic09 - rookwhar RHP 2005
Black falls for a line very similiar to the one that started this thread.
Black covers c7 to save the a8 Rook and losses his Queen.
Finally. The Queen gets caught by a Bishop instead.
A shocking pawn steal by Black.
Diggitus - stranger2003 RHP 2005
Originally posted by greenpawn34Sorry gp, but you will have to spell it out for us woodpushers. Does Qxc6+ work?
First a thoughtless pawn grab by White.
What else did he expect Black to play after 7.Qxb7.
This is called thinking ½ a move ahead.
wijk - Duijn2 RHP 2007 (these two have played each other over 100 times).
[pgn]
1. c4 d5 2. cxd5 Qxd5 3. Nc3 Qa5 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. d4 Nc6 6. Qb3 Bg4 7. Qxb7
Rb8[/pgn]
Ha Brilliant. Well played Monty.
Triple blindness.
(maybe more..how come only Monty posted).
I put this postion into my DB....
asking it to find 0-1 under 10 moves. 72 appeared.
I must have seen so many that were wins I just copied the pgn.
But this is wrong!
White can just take the c6 Knight!.
Never take the QNP with the Queen
Your opponent can play a bad moves and win.
You will resign in a won position.
And some nut job will believe it and write about it years later.
'This is called writng ½ a move ahead. ' 🙂
(and don't forget folks......Check all Checks!) 😀
Could have said I sneaked that one in to see if anyone was paying
attention but that would not be true. I gaffed. (again).
Never going to believe 1400 players again. 😉
Originally posted by greenpawn34Only if you can win a pawn and Knight, yes? 😀
Never take the QNP with the Queen
Seriously, this is good advice in a majority of the cases. The two dangers are:
1. YOU'RE GOING TO LOSE YOUR QUEEN! (Yes, I'm shouting, it is that important.)
2. Your opponent can develop pieces that attack your Q while she has to flee. It would not be unusual for your opponent to get 2 or 3 pieces out which is the same as 2 or 3 free moves. Are you good enough to give your opponent 2 or 3 free moves?
However, a pawn is worth a little trouble (Tarrasch?). If you understand the <serious> downside to grabbing the b-pawn in most situations, then you can evaluate the possible benefits of the steal in the position in front of you. They are:
1. material (a pawn is a pawn is a pawn)
2. brings about an isolated a-pawn and possible isolated/backward c-pawn for your opponent
3. you have a very active Queen perhaps ripping through a defense that is not quite ready, mistakes by your opponent may give you more than a pawn
Perhaps evaluate it like this:
1 Does the Rook moving to the b-file trap the Queen or can your Queen be chased around by your opponent's minor pieces? No brainer, don't do it.
2 Is MY b-pawn protected? Nothing worse than the enemy Rook moving to the b-file and snapping off my pawn when my Queen moves out of the way.
3 Am I ready to play an open game? Do I trust my tactical sense?