Originally posted by Mephisto2That was a reply to Caro Kann User 224711, and is not meant as a statement of general truth.
" ..... instead of its proper square." Which is?
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Originally posted by WulebgrMm... tell me what am I missing, isn't 15. ... dxe5 good for black? And perhaps even 15. ... Bxf3 w 16. ... dxe5 (sacrificing the exchange) might be good too, or similar?
Here's the whole game:
Wulebgr (1679) - Mach2speedy (1739) [A40]
Rated game, 5m + 0s Main Playing Hall, 06.06.2006
1.d4 e6 2.c4 b6 3.Nf3 Bb7 4.g3 g6 5.Bg2 Bg7 6.Nc3 Ne7 7.e4 d6 8.OO Nd7 9.Be3 a6 10.a3 OO 11.Rc1 h6 12.b4 Kh7 13.Qd2 Ng8 14.Rfd1 f5 15.e5 d5 16.cxd5 exd5 17.Ne2 Rc8 18.Nf4 Qe7 19.e6 Ndf6 20.Ne5 Ne4 21.Bxe4 dxe4 22.Nexg6 Qf6 23.Nxf8+ Rxf8 24.d5 Rd8 25.Nh5 Qe7 26.Nxg7 Qxg7 27.Qd4 Qe7 28.Qe5 Kg6 29.Rxc7
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Can you show me which recognised player has played like that? You may be cheating yourself. Everyone is a grandmaster at blitz, but when it comes to grinding out wins through positional chess, many including myself are lacking !
Show me a slowchess game and we can talk sense.
Z00t! Z00t!
Originally posted by z00tWulebrg might not be able to, but I can offer another interesting game in this line:
Can you show me which recognised player has played like that? You may be cheating yourself. Everyone is a grandmaster at blitz, but when it comes to grinding out wins through positional chess, many including myself are lacking !
Show me a slowchess game and we can talk sense.
Z00t! Z00t!
1. Nf3 g6 2. c4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nd7 5. e4 e6 6. Be2 b6 7. O-O Bb7 8. Be3 Ne7 9. Qc2 h6 10. Rad1 O-O 11. d5 e5 12. Qc1 Kh7 13. g3 f5 14. exf5 Nxf5 15. Bd3 Bc8 16. Kg2 Nf6 17. Ne4 Nh5 18. Bd2 Bd7 19. Kh1 Ne7 20. Nh4 Bh3 21. Rg1 Bd7 22. Be3 Qe8 23. Rde1 Qf7 24. Qc2 Kh8 25. Nd2 Nf5 26. Nxf5 gxf5 27. g4 e4 28. gxh5 f4 29. Rxg7 Qxg7 30. Rg1 Qe5 31. Nf3 exd3 32. Nxe5 dxc2 33. Bd4 dxe5 34. Bxe5+ Kh7 35. Rg7+ Kh8 36. Rg6+ Kh7 37. Rg7+ Kh8 38. Rg6+ Kh7 39. Rg7+ 1/2-1/2
Originally posted by TommyCYes, in my annotations, I noted that 15...d5? was an error, and gave 15...dxe5 as an improvement. 15...Bxf3 is better than the text, but still leaves white with an advantage.
Mm... tell me what am I missing, isn't 15. ... dxe5 good for black? And perhaps even 15. ... Bxf3 w 16. ... dxe5 (sacrificing the exchange) might be good too, or similar?
After 15...dxe5 16.dxe5 Bxf3 presents white with a choice:
17.Bxf3? Nxe5 18.Qe2 (18.Bxa8 Qxa8 is worse for white) Nxf3+ 19.Qxf3 Qe7 leaves black a pawn ahead with few problems, and thus the better game.
17.Qxd7 sacrifices the exchange to 17...Bxd1 18.Rxd1 Qxd7 19.Rxd7, but whites pieces are more active and the black king is still under attack. Perhaps here, white maintains an advantage.
Originally posted by TommyCInstructive game. Who were the players?
Wulebrg might not be able to, but I can offer another interesting game in this line:
1. Nf3 g6 2. c4 Bg7 3. d4 d6 4. Nc3 Nd7 5. e4 e6 6. Be2 b6 7. O-O Bb7 8. Be3 Ne7 9. Qc2 h6 10. Rad1 O-O 11. d5 e5 12. Qc1 Kh7 13. g3 f5 14. exf5 Nxf5 15. Bd3 Bc8 16. Kg2 Nf6 17. Ne4 Nh5 18. Bd2 Bd7 19. Kh1 Ne7 20. Nh4 Bh3 21. Rg1 Bd7 22. Be3 Qe8 23. Rde1 Qf7 24. Qc2 Kh8 25 ...[text shortened]... 33. Bd4 dxe5 34. Bxe5+ Kh7 35. Rg7+ Kh8 36. Rg6+ Kh7 37. Rg7+ Kh8 38. Rg6+ Kh7 39. Rg7+ 1/2-1/2
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Originally posted by WulebgrThe easy factors to see are space, piece coordination and central piece control.
All of the pieces remain on the board, and black is on move, yet white already has an advantage. How do you explain why?
[fen]r2q1rn1/1bpn1pbk/pp1pp1pp/8/1PPPP3/P1N1BNP1/3Q1PBP/2RR2K1 b - - 0 14[/fen]
(The position was taken from a blitz game I played this morning.)
Here's the whole game:
Wulebgr (1679) - Mach2speedy (1739) [A40]
Rated game, ...[text shortened]... 22.Nexg6 Qf6 23.Nxf8+ Rxf8 24.d5 Rd8 25.Nh5 Qe7 26.Nxg7 Qxg7 27.Qd4 Qe7 28.Qe5 Kg6 29.Rxc7 1–0
Less aparent factors are whites pieces are active, ie queen and bishop attacking, blacks knight and bishop defending. White has a range of good squares for his pieces black lacks many good squares for the pieces, ie blacks knights are liable to tread on each others toes whites arent....the white rooks can move freely around the back rank working together blacks rooks dont have this freedom yet........whites queen has a choice of squares/roles blacks queen has zip. A level pawn line gives you more options when recapturing ie the choice of two pawns to recapture with instead of maybe just one pawn choice.
Whites center is already over protected meaning he can move pieces away freely to do other jobs if the need arrises, basicly flexibilty.