Positionnal play ?

Originally posted by greenpawn34
Tactics and Positional play compliment each other, you cannot have one
without the other.

SG seal of approval. This is the important thing to realize. [I don't understand the urge some have to break every single move and idea down to tidy little 'tactical' and 'positional' components.]

You see these 'softening up' the opponents pawn structure using tactcial
threats in Capablanca's games. Do you label Capa a tactcial player?

Bernstein - Capablanca

Black to play

Yep. Definitely a tactical player. The positional skills weren't too bad, either. 😵

Originally posted by AudreyxSophie
Hi.


I did not told any one, but I am playing on a lcub and as helper on the club d'échecs junior de sherbrooke. Hoverer, not many and myself maybe, really understand the position aspect of chess.

How can I describe it to them.. I am a little poor.. I try to give exemple from 1...f4 f5 openings. BUt, they are not famous,

So, how do you view the positionnal play.

Somethings most of the youngs of the upper class do not get.

As a reformed tactician I have to say, if you must ask what positional play is, you'll never know.

Originally posted by Mephisto2
The knight is able to capture the pawn on e5. Is that a threat, let alone does that make 2.Nf3 a tactic? No. The knight also 'covers' square d4. Depending on the positions that arise, this can become equally or even more relevant than capturing the pawn. Does that make 2.Nf3 a 'tactical move' or 'threat'? This same move also allows the bishop from f1 to mo ...[text shortened]... I'm sorry, but I find it increasingly hard to remain serious now in this little debate.

It forces a response because of the threat to the pawn, covering d4 doesn't force anything. I think you are looking at 2.Nf3 and calling it neither tactical nor positional and tom is calling it both.

Originally posted by Ice Cold
As a reformed tactician I have to say, if you must ask what positional play is, you'll never know.

Tactics is what you do when there is something to do;
strategy is what you do when there is nothing to do.
- Saviely Tartakower

Strategy requires thought; tactics require observation.
- Max Euwe

Hi SG.

Although I see the joke this is actually a good postion to perhaps resolve matters.

Tactics and Positional Play walking hand in hand across the 64 squares.

Black to play. First we read the board



White has a back rank weakness, a Queen and a Rook unprotected.

Three positonal flaws.

Black no back rank weakness and the Queen and Rook are not hanging.

Then we recall Bronstein.
The best advantage to have in any position is to have the move.

So you find the one tactical move that will take advantage of
all these positional weakness's.

1...Qb2!

Tactically hitting all three postional weakness's at once. Bingo!.

Originally posted by SwissGambit
SG seal of approval. This is the important thing to realize. [I don't understand the urge some have to break every single move and idea down to tidy little 'tactical' and 'positional' components.]

[b]You see these 'softening up' the opponents pawn structure using tactcial
threats in Capablanca's games. Do you label Capa a tactcial player?

Ber ...[text shortened]...

Yep. Definitely a tactical player. The positional skills weren't too bad, either. 😵[/b]

Never seen this game before. I see the back rank pattern but all my attempts fail to Qf1 the best i can get is a pawn. 1... Qb2 2.Qe3 Rb8 3.Rc2 Qb1+ 4.Qf1 wins the rook so just 3.h3 then I snap the pawn leaving material even but the passer might be able to win for me. and 1... Qb5 2.Qf1. the mate i'm angling for is

Originally posted by MISTER CHESS
Never seen this game before. I see the back rank pattern but all my attempts fail to Qf1 the best i can get is a pawn. 1... Qb2 2.Qe3 Rb8 3.Rc2 Qb1+ 4.Qf1 wins the rook so just 3.h3 then I snap the pawn leaving material even but the passer might be able to win for me. and 1... Qb5 2.Qf1. the mate i'm angling for is [fen]3r2k1/p4ppp/8/8/8/2RQP3/P4PPP/3q2K1[/fen]

After 1. ... Qb2 then 2. Qe3 is impossible. Were you thinking of something else here? It appears that Geoff's move wins on the spot.

Originally posted by Paul Leggett
After 1. ... Qb2 then 2. Qe3 is impossible. Were you thinking of something else here? It appears that Geoff's move wins on the spot.

I meant d3.

Hi Mister Chess

1...Qb2 2.Qd3 (2.Qe3 is illegal) 2....Qa1+

Originally posted by greenpawn34
Hi Mister Chess

1...Qb2 2.Qd3 (2.Qe3 is illegal) 2....Qa1+

[fen]3r2k1/p4ppp/8/8/8/2RQP3/P4PPP/q5K1 w - - 0 3[/fen]

edit: I see my error. I missed that the rook is hanging after ...Qf1, my 2-D vision isn't very great.

Originally posted by MISTER CHESS
edit: I see my error. I missed that the rook is hanging after ...Qf1, my 2-D vision isn't very great.

Welcome to the club! 😞

No problem M.C.

When I first saw that famous game I tried for a while to bust it.
Everybody does. It so brilliant it just cannot be sound.

It works in all variations. (Check all checks).

Originally posted by greenpawn34
No problem M.C.

When I first saw that famous game I tried for a while to bust it.
Everybody does. It so brilliant it just cannot be sound.

It works in all variations. (Check all checks).

It is brilliant but i was really hoping somebody was going to show me that xray mate i was looking for.