hi
I've been trying the QID agianst 1.d4 lately and I really seem to enjoy it, I was wondering if it is possible to play the QID against 1.e4, (you know with a fienchettoed bishop on b7 and pawns on b6, c5, d5 and e6, does anyone know? has anyone played this or is this impossible? I've tryed it out on the board (just by myself) but it gives me some dificulties when c4 is played to advance the pawn to d4, maybe I shouldn't advance it imediatly and try to undermine c4?
thanks in advance
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Either 1. e4 b6 or 1. e4 e6 2. d4 b6 are playable and lead to queens indian-type structures, but they are a lot riskier as white already e4 played and gets a much bigger center than he gets in the QID (and, as you note, he can get in c4 too). Basically, I consider these "second tier" defenses. Not popular among GMs, but not so bad as to be unplayable. If I remember correctly 1 ... b6 is occaisonally played by one or two of the stronger players here.
Originally posted by orion251. e4 b6
hi
I've been trying the QID agianst 1.d4 lately and I really seem to enjoy it, I was wondering if it is possible to play the QID against 1.e4, (you know with a fienchettoed bishop on b7 and pawns on b6, c5, d5 and e6, does anyone know? has anyone played this or is this impossible? I've tryed it out on the board (just by myself) but it gives me some dificult ...[text shortened]... n to d4, maybe I shouldn't advance it imediatly and try to undermine c4?
thanks in advance
is called Ownen's Defence - you might want to google it to see what comes up.
A couple of points ...
because White hasn't played an early c4 in the king's pawn system he retains the option of answering your ... c5 with c2-c3 keeping a solid centre.
Probably more importanly because White's already got e2-e4 in he can answer ... d5 with e4-e5 and lock down the centre with a permanent space advantage. This would be an inferior version of a French Advance variation (because Black's spent time messing around putting his bishop on b7 which doesn't really achieve much in this kind of blocked centre).
That said - if you play it properly I'm sure the queen's fianchetto is playable against king's pawn openings at most levels
Originally posted by JonathanB of Londonhum, so you're suggesting I should rather enter the french defence right away and not fienchetto the bishop at all? that is pretty much possible but would take some more time to learn I think...
1. e4 b6
is called Ownen's Defence - you might want to google it to see what comes up.
A couple of points ...
because White hasn't played an early c4 in the king's pawn system he retains the option of answering your ... c5 with c2-c3 keeping a solid centre.
Probably more importanly because White's already got e2-e4 in he can answer .. ...[text shortened]... I'm sure the queen's fianchetto is playable against king's pawn openings at most levels
another option is to play e5 and fienchetto the bishop later, what would you think about that kind of position?
Originally posted by orion25Not necessarily learn the French (although I play it often so I'm quite fond of it myself) ... just if you plan to get ...d5 in you should probably hang back with ... b6 and ... Bb7 until you're sure that's what you want to do.
hum, so you're suggesting I should rather enter the french defence right away and not fienchetto the bishop at all? that is pretty much possible but would take some more time to learn I think...
another option is to play e5 and fienchetto the bishop later, what would you think about that kind of position?
Another option would be to play ...d7-d6 instead of d5 and set up a small centre.
I'm not sure playing 1. ... e5 with a view to playing ... b6 and ... Bb7 later is necessarily going to work though as in most lines you wont have time.
That said there is a line against the Ruy Lopez where Black plays ... Bb7 but after ... a6 and ... b5