Just finished an interesting 5 minute game with a queen sacrifice. I think it was sound, but I haven't done any deep analysis. Enjoy.
[Event "uChess rated"]
[Site "www.uchess.com"]
[Date "2009.7.8"]
[Round "?"]
[White "chesskid001"]
[Black "thinkingaboutit"]
[Result "1-0"]
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-f3'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-d6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-d4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-f3'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c3'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-f6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-a6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-a4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e7'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-d5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-f4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c3'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-b5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e1'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-d3'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e3'
- move 1 could not be played: Invalid PGN : Error converting move e2
Well, allow me to contribute in it a little bit further. The lads are correct. 12.Nd5#. The pattern is known as Legall's mate and it is one of the most ancient traps in theory. 9...Ne5 was butter on your bread because if the Knight remained in c6 the trap just doesn't work. Assuming that you play Ne5 to lure your opponent to capture your queen he just plays Nxe5 and he is up a piece. I am leaving you to check the millions of positions that can be produced as a reference to the Legall's patterns.🙂
Correct, it's not a sac, more like bait, or forbidden fruit, if you will.
If black gets greedy and takes Queen, this is the result (in this particular position on move 12)
This doesn't happen very often in CC games, but I would suspect it's more common with blitz games... maybe/maybe not... idk.
btw, did you catch black's nickname ?
Never the less... great setup and game Chesskid001
Originally posted by Fat LadyThanks. I probably should've clarified the original post when I questioned the soundness- I was referring to the Bxf6+ move, which obviously rules out Nd5 mate. Of course in an OTB game I would play 12.Nd5#, but this is internet blitz, so why not make it a little more interesting?
I don't know - if he'd played 12.Nd5# it would have been Yet Another Legal's Mate and not particularly interesting. What actually happened was much more fun. I applaud White for spurning the easy win.
Just thought I'd post another game of mine- this was 2 minute blitz, and involved an interesting piece sacrifice, although my opponent defended very passively at the end
[Event "uChess rated"]
[Site "www.uchess.com"]
[Date "2009.7.12"]
[Round "?"]
[White "chesskid001"]
[Black "capa42"]
[Result "1-0"]
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-d4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c3'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-d6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-f3'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-d7'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-f6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-b3'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-d5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-f5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-h6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-f4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g5'
- move 1 could not be played: Invalid PGN : Error converting move e2
Originally posted by Ulysses72As the mate was delivered by a rook supported by a knight it's actually called an Arabian mate.
Well, allow me to contribute in it a little bit further. The lads are correct. 12.Nd5#. The pattern is known as Legall's mate and it is one of the most ancient traps in theory. 9...Ne5 was butter on your bread because if the Knight remained in c6 the trap just doesn't work. Assuming that you play Ne5 to lure your opponent to capture your queen he just pla ...[text shortened]... eck the millions of positions that can be produced as a reference to the Legall's patterns.🙂
The Legall's mate combines kn+kn+b, Blackburnes b+b+kn etc.
The last PGN, mate is given by a lone queen supported by a pawn (Gueridon's mate)
To reinvigorate the thread, here is a three minute game I just played featuring an (unsound) sacrifice of a piece. Instead of 13...Bb4, 13... f5 would give black a winning advantage. After 17.Rh4+, Black should play Qxh4, when white is winning, but still has some work to do. Instead, 17.g7 (or gxf7) wins on the spot.
Hopefully we can see some games of others which involved nice sacrifices
[Event "uChess rated"]
[Site "www.uchess.com"]
[Date "2009.7.23"]
[Round "?"]
[White "chesskid001"]
[Black "blissland"]
[Result "1-0"]
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-d4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-d5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c3'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-f6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-f3'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e7'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-d3'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-h4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-h6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-b4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e1'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-d7'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-d5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-b4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-h5'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-h7'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-h4'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g7'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-h7'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g8'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g7'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e8'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-c1'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-f6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-g6'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-e7'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-h8'
- line 1: Unrecognised token '-h6'
- move 1 could not be played: Invalid PGN : Error converting move d2
Originally posted by chesskid001
[b]To reinvigorate the thread, here is a three minute game I just played featuring an (unsound) sacrifice of a piece. Instead of 13...Bb4, 13... f5 would give black a winning advantage. After 17.Rh4+, Black should play Qxh4, when white is winning, but still has some work to do. Instead, 17.g7 (or gxf7) wins on the spot.
Hopefully we can see some games of ...[text shortened]... White "chesskid001"]
[Black "blissland"]
[Result "1-0"]
Really fun game to watch!