27 May 05
Has anyone ever tried to hold on to the pawn, and come out alive? I used to feel nervous when anybody tried. I hate to be a pawn down, but it always seems to come right in the end.
Recently, someone with a relatively high ranking, tried this on me and the result was disastrous for him.
David
27 May 05
Originally posted by davfraHere's a game in which Gary Kasparov tried the hold the pawn against Vallejo in the recent Linares tournament. He won.
Has anyone ever tried to hold on to the pawn, and come out alive? I used to feel nervous when anybody tried. I hate to be a pawn down, but it always seems to come right in the end.
Recently, someone with a relatively high ranking, tried this on me and the result was disastrous for him.
David
(3) Vallejo Pons,F (2686) - Kasparov,G (2804) [D02]
XXII SuperGM Linares ESP (3), 25.02.2005
1.Nf3 d5 2.d4 e6 3.c4 dxc4 4.e4 b5 5.a4 c6 6.axb5 cxb5 7.b3 Bb7 8.bxc4 Bxe4 9.cxb5 Nf6 10.Be2 Be7 11.0-0 0-0 12.Nc3 Bb7 13.Bf4 Bb4 14.Na4 Nbd7 15.Qb3 Nd5 16.Bg5 Be7 17.Bd2 a6 18.b6 Bc6 19.Ne5 Nxe5 20.dxe5 Nxb6 21.Nxb6 Qxd2 22.Nxa8 Qxe2 23.Nc7 Qxe5 24.Qg3 Qf5 25.Rxa6 Be4 26.Ra7 Bc5 27.Ra5 Bxf2+ 28.Qxf2 Qxa5 29.Nxe6 Bxg2 [29...fxe6 30.Qxf8# ; After 29...Bxg2 White has no reasonable defence: 30.Kxg2 (30.Qxg2 fxe6 ; 30.Nxf8 Bxf1 31.Kxf1 Kxf8 ; 30.Qe1 Qb5 31.Nxf8 Bxf1 32.Ne6 ) 30...Qa8+ 31.Kg1 fxe6 and White remains two pawns up.] 0-1
28 May 05
Originally posted by davfraI rather enjoy when they try to hold the pawn, it makes my game that much easier.
Has anyone ever tried to hold on to the pawn, and come out alive? I used to feel nervous when anybody tried. I hate to be a pawn down, but it always seems to come right in the end.
Recently, someone with a relatively high ranking, tried this on me and the result was disastrous for him.
David
Here's a game not quit a queen's gambit, but similiar where stephanwale tried to hold the pawn.
Nyxie
29 May 05
Originally posted by davfraOften I've had lower rated players (and blitz players unused to the QG) try to hold it like this:
Has anyone ever tried to hold on to the pawn, and come out alive? I used to feel nervous when anybody tried. I hate to be a pawn down, but it always seems to come right in the end.
Recently, someone with a relatively high ranking, tried this on me and the result was disastrous for him.
David
1. d4 d5 2. c4 dxc4 4. e3 b5? 5. a4 c6? 6. axb5 cxb5?? 7. Qf3!
I've had very little experience with people trying to hold it in other ways because I usually choose to take back the pawn earlier. A couple of times I've been burned when the pawn was accepted at a later point but I've also won my fair share of games when they do that.
29 May 05
Originally posted by NyxieHow embarrassing, the game link did'nt post.
I rather enjoy when they try to hold the pawn, it makes my game that much easier.
Here's a game not quit a queen's gambit, but similiar where stephanwale tried to hold the pawn.
Nyxie
Game 1012024
29 May 05
Originally posted by jugglingeekA gambit is an opening in which a player sacrifices pawn(s) or a minor piece to gain advantage in a situation. The queen's gambit is after 1.d4 d5 2. c4
Pardon my ignorance. I'm relativly new to chess. What is a queen's gambit?
White sacrifices a pawn here to gain control over the centre, but the pawn offer is usually declined with 2. ...e6.
Even after 2. ...dxc4, black usually gives the pawn back after a few moves.
29 May 05
Originally posted by MIODudeErrr... I think you mixed the squares up... after:
When the pawn isn't taken by black (QGD) - what is the advised course of action with the D4 pawn? I sometimes push the D4 pawn forward one to try to block the Opponents Bishop from coming out too far, but I usually see most taking the black pawn on E5.. What is the best practice?
1. d4 d5
2. c4 e6
3. Nc3 I think is best. If black takes the pawn then it transposes to the QGA. Black normally plays:
3. ... Nf6
Then white has a number of options, such as Bg5 and Bf4 but the idea is to free the bishop before playing e3.
29 May 05
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Originally posted by DfthdI will add that forcefully freeing black's "problem" QB too early isn't good either. It results in a weakened Qside with the pawns vulnerable, especially if white can play Qb3. When I play the QGD, I'm content to have the QB in place (at c8) for some time. Well, not _content_, actually ... you know what I mean!
Errr... I think you mixed the squares up... after:
1. d4 d5
2. c4 e6
3. Nc3 I think is best. If black takes the pawn then it transposes to the QGA. Black normally plays:
3. ... Nf6
Then white has a number of options, such as Bg5 and Bf4 but the idea is to free the bishop before playing e3.
As for white pushing the c pawn to c5: This actually weakens white's position because it takes the tension out of the center. Against one player who prefers an early c5, I've found that a K-side fianchetto with general development does me well.
29 May 05
Originally posted by MIODudeI don't think taking the d5 pawn is too good... in the QGD blacks main problem is the development of the c8 bishop which is blocked by his e6 pawn... after the exchange cxd5 exd5 white actually solves that problem for black... so yeah.
Sorry.. I meant, I sometimes push the C4 pawn forward to c5, not the d pawn as I said..
so. is there situations when pushing it forward is good, or taking the D5 pawn is better?