31 Aug 07
Originally posted by najdorfslayer3...Be7 is invented by Tigran Petrosian in his match against Botvinnik in 1963. On of the main options is 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bf4 c6 6.e3 Bf5 (to exchange light squared bishops after 7.Bd3?! with equal position. 6...Nf6 leads to QG positions with small positional plus for white) 7.g4!? with sharp play.
I know this line well and am considering playing it OTB next season.Just wanted to know what people's thoughts are about this move order and what they would play against it!
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31 Aug 07
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Originally posted by KorchWhat do you reckon to 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Be7 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bf4 Nf6 rather than 5...c6
3...Be7 is invented by Tigran Petrosian in his match against Botvinnik in 1963. On of the main options is 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bf4 c6 6.e3 Bf5 (to exchange light squared bishops after 7.Bd3?! with equal position. 6...Nf6 leads to QG positions with small positional plus for white) 7.g4!? with sharp play.
The main reason I like it isbecause White can't
Play the exchange varaition with Bg5 (not the usual way anyway) and certianly not with Nge2 and Bg5.
However the line you quoted Mr Korch is very sharp but OTB how many people will play it?
31 Aug 07
Originally posted by najdorfslayerAfter 5...Nf6 white can play 6.e3 and Bd3 with small plus like in Exchange variantion with Bg5
What do you reckon to 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Be7 4.cxd5 exd5 5.Bf4 [b]Nf6 rather than 5...c6
The main reason I like it isbecause White can't
Play the exchange varaition with Bg5 (not the usual way anyway) and certianly not with Nge2 and Bg5.
However the line you quoted Mr Korch is very sharp but OTB how many people will play it?[/b]
31 Aug 07
Originally posted by KorchYeah but then Black can play 6...Nc6 which I know gambits a pawn but is very tricky for White to meet OTB and is theoreticaly unclear, and I figure most 1.d4 Exchange Queens Gambit players are not looking for a that sort of game, its all about psychology!
If Bf5 is played before c6 white can play Qb3
31 Aug 07
Originally posted by najdorfslayerUsually I dont like accepting gambits (as I prefer to play safe), but this gambit I would accept with pleasure 🙂
Yeah but then Black can play 6...Nc6 which I know gambits a pawn but is very tricky for White to meet OTB and is theoreticaly unclear, and I figure most 1.d4 Exchange Queens Gambit players are not looking for a that sort of game, its all about psychology!
31 Aug 07
Originally posted by KorchYou think it is that good for White?
Usually I dont like accepting gambits (as I prefer to play safe), but this gambit I would accept with pleasure 🙂
I think you are underestimating Black's position here!
Ward in his recent work "Play the Queens Gambit" doesn't recommend it saying it is unclear whether White gets any advantage in the position.
I do agree that it is definately the most critical test for the 3...Be7 move order however. And it depends on how you follow up, (there is one line which I think gives White good play, but depends if White can find the line OTB).
31 Aug 07
Originally posted by najdorfslayerMaybe I`m underestimating that position, but I` would like to play it as white. It`s just matter of taste.
You think it is [b]that good for White?
I think you are underestimating Black's position here!
Ward in his recent work "Play the Queens Gambit" doesn't recommend it saying it is unclear whether White gets any advantage in the position.
I do agree that it is definately the most critical test for the 3...Be7 move order however. And it depen ...[text shortened]... e[/b] line which I think gives White good play, but depends if White can find the line OTB).[/b]
31 Aug 07
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Originally posted by KorchAfter 7.e3 I would play 7...Nb4 first!
After 6....Nc6 7.e3 g6 White can play 8.Bb5
As you correctly said it is a matter of taste and while I do belive White is a bit better in the 6.e3, 7.Qb3 lines and the 6.Qc2 lines, it is certainly playable for Black and no worse than any other main-line opening.
Anyway if you keep on casting doubts I may get put off playing it and revert back to the NID! And only play QGD after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 (When White still can't play a normal exchange QGD)
31 Aug 07
Originally posted by najdorfslayerI agree - despise of fact that white have small advantage these lines are playable. but black must be well prepared, otherwise they risk to get into bad positions.
After 7.e3 I would play 7...Nb4 first!
As you correctly said it is a matter of taste and while I do belive White is a bit better in the 6.e3, 7.Qb3 lines and the 6.Qc2 lines, it is certainly playable for Black and no worse than any other main-line opening.