25 Dec 04
I often find me playing this interesting trap in the queen's gambit accepted.
I was wondering if it has a name................?
Game 734027
Game 767129
Game 834246
Game 854369
25 Dec 04
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Originally posted by RavelloI doesn't have a name, but when chess teachers first start teaching newbies about opening theory, it is one of the first things they teach them to look out for, that and maybe the "famous" scholar's mate. The name "queen's gambit" is misleading, because mathematicly, there is no possible way to keep the pawn. Some of the most advanced computers have tried it just to see if there is a way, through proper play, there isn't, it's a chess monopoly!
I often find me playing this interesting trap in the queen's gambit accepted.
I was wondering if it has a name................?
Game 734027
Game 767129
Game 834246
Game 854369
Hard to beleive that out of millions of moves, there's no way for black to keep the pawn in a gambit on move 2. This is the strenght of the queen's gambit, it's perhabs why it was all that was played in the mid 1900's and ppl were worried chess would become painfully dull.
The "downside" of the Queen's Gambit, is that, despite the fact white gets way better developed by being able to gambit without fear of losing material, has better pawn structure, better actively placed peices by far, and perhabs all the winning chances, is that there is simply little to no attacking possibilities for either side, strangely enough. It's very positional and white must win the endgame, and of course, white attacking players probably will not play the Queen's Gambit unless you are Frank Marshall, but his style is very risky to the attacking player.
Also, consider this, if you want to have an opening reperatoire, you simply have to study the queen's gambit in detail. 45% of white's games are queen's gambits. A good opening reperatoire is:
As white, play queen's gambit
As black, against e4, play Sicilian, against d4, play a QGD where your opening theory becomes useful.
Even though you play d4, take some time to study the Ruy Lopez.
And there you have it folks, if you know the Sicilian, Queen's Gambit and the Ruy, you will be equiped for 80 PERCENT of your games, because 80 percent of games feature one of these openings. So really, the newibe only needs to learn 3 openings and their traps. And that's all they should spend on openings, the rest on tactics and endgames. Then maybe later on once they reach, say a rating of 1500, they should/can learn other openings like the French, Caro, London System, Dutch, Colle, KID, Pirc, King's Gambit, etc. . .
BTW, the Cambridge Springs I find is probably the best defense against the Queen's Gambit, as I painfully learned one game. It's very awkward, black plays an early Qa5, but it's loaded with tactics and pitfulls and makes a game which should be a simple white win if played right, to a minefield, white actually has to work here.
26 Dec 04
I play the Queen's Gambit as white however it is not essential to know it. While a large amount of GM games will be the QG doesn't mean there aren't ways to avoid it. I've had great success playing the King's Indian Defence as black against d4. Also when I play d4 I more often than not do not get to play the Queen's Gambit. I see 1. ...Nf6 2. c4 e6 most frequently followed by the King's Indian Defence. (1. ...Nf6 2. c4 g6)
Stop preaching how you know openings so well. The tendancy for the Queen's Gambit to be positional is far from a certainty. As white with Qc2 and Bd3 against black's castled king leads to very tactical encounters. White can go all out with 0-0-0 and h4 in these games also. Black can also change things up by not playing Be7 after Bg5 and instead relying on Nbd7 and using the bishop to pin the c3 knight. This too leads to complex games.
26 Dec 04
Originally posted by mateuloseThis is complete crap. A bunch of attacking players play 1. d4 d5 2. c4. Shirov, Kaspy, you name em' they have played it. The fact that it does have alot of positional themes makes it a terrible choice for noobs. They should play openings where tactics are prevalent to learn them, where they don't have to worry about going into complex positional middlegames with alot of planning. Then once they pick up positional ideas then they can learn new openings. And a repetoire should encompass all the openings needed to play a chess game without knowing what your opponent is gonna play. It makes no sense to advocate learning one of the most complex openings in chess (The Ruy) to a noob who you tell to play the Sicilian, another pretty tough opening, theoretically. I also think your statistic on 45% of all white games being Queens Gambit is wrong. This is quite possibly the worst thing I have seen posted on this forum. First off, what about 1. e4, 1. c4, 1. Nf3. That surely puts it below 45% right there, then take out all the Indian Defenses. I surely hope that you mean that 45% of all whites games when 1. d4 is played is a QG.
I doesn't have a name, but when chess teachers first start teaching newbies about opening theory, it is one of the first things they teach them to look out for, that and maybe the "famous" scholar's mate. The name "queen's gambit" is misleading, because mathematicly, there is no possible way to keep the pawn. Some of the most advanced computers have ...[text shortened]... h should be a simple white win if played right, to a minefield, white actually has to work here.
26 Dec 04
Originally posted by RavelloAs far as I know, there's no name for it, but it's something you're taught as a proof that you can't take and hold the pawn in the Queen's Gambit. I guess there's still some people who don't realize that, just as there's still people playing the Damiano.
Errr...........back to the subject:so this trap hasn't a name?
I know it's a blunder for black,but I assumed it had a name just like Damiano's trap (1.e4,e5 2.Nf3,f6??)
Chessgames.com has 19,414 Queen's Gambits in their database of over 300,000 games; that's roughly 6.5% not 45%. Queen's pawn opening were slightly over 1/3 of the games played; since some c4 games can easily transpose into Queen's pawn systems, I'd say 35-40% of the games played are Queen's Pawn, with the majority of those being Indians of one sort or another (Nimzo, King's, Queen's being, in that order, the most popular over the last 100 years).
28 Dec 04
Originally posted by Ravello😞 why have i never used this trick
I often find me playing this interesting trap in the queen's gambit accepted.
I was wondering if it has a name................?
Game 734027
Game 767129
Game 834246
Game 854369
surely will now 😀
29 Dec 04
This is a fascinating thread.
And there you have it folks, if you know the Sicilian, Queen's Gambit and the Ruy, you will be equiped for 80 PERCENT of your games, because 80 percent of games feature one of these openings.
I play chess with an assortment of computer software games, and so far this is not true. There's no telling what opening the computer will pull out, during any given game, but it's certainly not 80% of the time only one of these three.
Because if it was like you said, then I could just master these three and then I would be able to beat Chesster the Rat, or King Kaleidoscope, or the Moron, 80% of the time.
And I can't.
29 Dec 04
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Originally posted by TestriderIt's not so much a trick because your opponent has to make that very bad move i.e. pawn to b5, this was fresh in my mind as I played in a clan league game where my opponent made that move Game 811937
😞 why have i never used this trick
surely will now 😀
I should perhaps add that I learned b5 (early) is a bad move by making it myself a few times in rapid play games, in rapid games where you haven't the advantage of anyalysing as deeply as on this site it looks like a natural supporting move (or at least I thought so at the time :'(