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  1. 26 Apr '08 17:04 / 1 edit
    hi, I am trying to find a satisfactory way to play against that most ancient but annoying queens gambit. I was playing a Greek friend and he showed me how impossible it is for black to try to keep the pawn. I tried the Slav, which although has a really good reputation I did not enjoy, the Kings Indian was my normal response but i found i was getting lost in the closed positions, so i settled for the Albin counter gambit (1.d4 ..d5, 2.c4 ..e5!?), the book move after this for white is 3. dxe5 ..d4. Another friend said that he would never dream of 3. dxe5 and suggested that to him, e3 was the natural move, I felt it was a bit passive so I tested this out and came to the following conclusions,

    1.d4 ..d5
    2.c4 ..e5!?
    3.e3 ..dxc4
    4.Bxc4 exd4
    5.exd4 Nc6 and white has an isolated queen pawn.

    also what if 3 ..exd4

    1.d4 ..d5
    2.c4 ..e5!?
    3.e3 ..exd4
    4.exd4 ..Nf6
    5. Nc3 ..Bb4+
    6. a3 ..Bxc3+
    7. bxc3 0-0 and whites pawn structure is shattered, isolated a pawn and doubled c pawns.

    If anyone can help either as a protagonist of the queens gambit to say how they would play against the Albin counter, what they would play on move number three and why, then this would be most appreciated - kind regards Robert.

    disclaimer: these variations in no way represent any type of objective truth and are simply given as a reference, please help me crack the queens gambit that most ancient and annoying of whites opening weapons!
  2. Standard member Korch
    Chess Warrior
    26 Apr '08 17:09
    After 3.e3 black can also play 3...Nc6 transposing into Chigorin.
  3. 26 Apr '08 17:11
    Originally posted by Korch
    After 3.e3 black can also play 3...Nc6 transposing into Chigorin.
    thanks dude i will check it out!
  4. Standard member najdorfslayer
    The Ever Living
    26 Apr '08 17:24 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    hi, I am trying to find a satisfactory way to play against that most ancient but annoying queens gambit. I was playing a Greek friend and he showed me how impossible it is for black to try to keep the pawn. I tried the Slav, which although has a really good reputation I did not enjoy, the Kings Indian was my normal response but i found i was gettin ...[text shortened]... ease help me crack the queens gambit that most ancient and annoying of whites opening weapons!
    Okay....as an occasional Albin Counter Gambit player, I have found the variation below to be annoying to play against.

    1.d4 d5
    2.c4 e5
    3.dxe5 d4
    4.Nf3 Nc6
    5.Nbd2 Nge7
    6.Nb3 Nf5
    7.e4 dxe3
    8.Qxd8 Nxd8
    9.fxe3



    Here White has a good position
  5. Standard member najdorfslayer
    The Ever Living
    26 Apr '08 17:31
    Just to note that

    1.d4 d5
    2.c4 e5
    3.e3 exd4
    4.exd4 Nf6
    5.Nc3 Bb4

    can also arise from an Exchange French

    1.e4 e6
    2.d4 d5
    3.exd5 exd5
    4.c4 Nf6
    5.Nc3 Bb4

    I don't think this is very ambitious for White.

  6. 26 Apr '08 17:41
    Originally posted by najdorfslayer
    Okay....as an occasional Albin Counter Gambit player, I have found the variation below to be annoying to play against.

    1.d4 d5
    2.c4 e5
    3.dxe5 d4
    4.Nf3 Nc6
    5.Nbd2 Nge7
    6.Nb3 Nf5
    7.e4 dxe3
    8.Qxd8 Nxd8
    9.fxe3

    [fen]r1bnkb1r/ppp2ppp/8/4Pn2/2P5/1N2PN2/PP4PP/R1B1KB1R w KQkq - 0 1[/fen]

    Here White has a good position
    yes if my memory serves me correct this is similar to the so called, 'spassky variation', where white takes advantage of the move e4, and if black wants the e pawn he must take enpassant, quite interesting, although black looks as though he can castle easily and while white has an extra pawn his pawn on c4 blocks the bishop and he has doubled e pawns which could be blocked by a night say on e6. thanks, any black players who can find good moves against this any suggestions.?
  7. 26 Apr '08 17:45
    Originally posted by najdorfslayer
    Just to note that

    1.d4 d5
    2.c4 e5
    3.e3 exd4
    4.exd4 Nf6
    5.Nc3 Bb4

    can also arise from an Exchange French

    1.e4 e6
    2.d4 d5
    3.exd5 exd5
    4.c4 Nf6
    5.Nc3 Bb4

    I don't think this is very ambitious for White.

    [fen]rnbqk2r/ppp2ppp/5n2/3p4/1bPP4/2N5/PP3PPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1[/fen]
    Dude this does look like some type of Winawer variation of the French, exchange variation you say, mmm, I like the French, would you suggest that everything being considered, 2 ..e6 would lead to similar positions as the French?
  8. 26 Apr '08 19:52
    In his new book Gambiteer II, GM Nigel Davies recommends the Albin Countergambit.
  9. 27 Apr '08 05:53 / 3 edits
    I would take on e5 and play 5. a3 because I don't like the activity Black gets with Bb4+.
  10. Standard member najdorfslayer
    The Ever Living
    27 Apr '08 08:49
    Originally posted by exigentsky
    I would take on e5 and play 5. a3 because I don't like the activity Black gets with Bb4+.
    Yeah lines with a3 are annoying for Black
  11. Standard member buffalobill
    Major Bone
    27 Apr '08 12:38
    I get the impression based on my limited experience that always better for white is nd2 and not Nc3.
  12. 28 Apr '08 19:49
    Originally posted by najdorfslayer
    Yeah lines with a3 are annoying for Black
    haha my learned friends, i found this game with Emanuel Lasker and the gambits originator Adolf Albin himself, the line a3 is noteworthy, for you're consideration and appraisal gentlemen.

    1.d4 d5
    2.c4 e5
    3.dxe5 d4
    4.Nf3 Nc6
    5.a3 Bg4
    6.h3!? Bxf3
    7.gxf3 Nxe5
    8.f4 Nc6?! (8 ..Ng6!, 9.Bg2 c6, 10. 0-0 Nf6)

    Lasker went on to win in 31. moves.
  13. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    29 Apr '08 01:00 / 1 edit
    I've dabbled in the Albin Countergambit from time to time, with varying results.

    Recently I finished a nice miniature (Game 4508226) after white played an early kingside fianchetto, which has influenced me to believe that 5. g3 is reasonable, but not necessarily strongest.

    Also, I'm currently engaged in a game (Game 4655555) with Ceders, a strong player who has played the Albin Countergambit quite often, in addition to the Chigorin's Defence. Our game is interesting, but I found out the hard way that my gambit was completely unsound. Game in progress.

    And finally, I thought I'd throw a nice website or two out there, too:

    http://www.jeremysilman.com/chess_bits_pieces/063003_xrated_albin_cg.html

    This short little article only offers games where white plays a kingside fianchetto reccommends meeting that with moves like Bf5, Qd2, Bh3, O-O-O, and h7-h5-h4 with a kinside attack.

    http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/games/java/summer05/albin-nge7.htm

    This article is massive, including enough lines to blow your eyes. Definitely a nice article for a true Albin Countergambiteer.

    http://www.kenilworthchessclub.org/kenilworthian/2005/10/albin-counter-gambit-bibliography.html

    And finally, this could be considered as a list of additional Albin Countergambit resources, on the net and elsewhere.
  14. 29 Apr '08 01:56 / 1 edit
    In their excellent book, Winning with the London, FM Johnsen and GM Kovacevic explore the possilbility of White playing an Albin Countergambit Reversed: 1 d4 d5 2 Bf4 c5 3 e4!?
  15. 29 Apr '08 07:41
    Originally posted by gaychessplayer
    In their excellent book, Winning with the London, FM Johnsen and GM Kovacevic explore the possilbility of White playing an Albin Countergambit Reversed: 1 d4 d5 2 Bf4 c5 3 e4!?
    mmm i have that book, i will need to check it out, thanks dude!