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The other day I saw some kids play a chess game with only pawns (no kings or pieces). The pawns started from their initial position and white had the first move as always. My question is how you should play correctly? Let's say I am black and my opponent, playing white, plays 1.h3 which pawn should I move?

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Originally posted by sorrymate
The other day I saw some kids play a chess game with only pawns (no kings or pieces). The pawns started from their initial position and white had the first move as always. My question is how you should play correctly? Let's say I am black and my opponent, playing white, plays 1.h3 which pawn should I move?
Without Kings, I should imagine its won (or lost) for white right from move one.

clearly, the first person to win a passed pawn will win. (probably) -- and also, doubled+tripled pawns will make you lose quick.

with kings, it all becomes a lot more tricky

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the question is when playing without King waht is the aim of the game. Do we have promotions?

Is getting one pawn through enough? Who wins in a locked situation?. I think that we could end up with a interlocking pawn structure, or with alternatly opposed pawns.

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I'm not sure it's won for white. I haven't looked much at it actually but my intuition says that it's drawn. If player A has a winning strategy player B can probably copy it because of the symmetry. My question is if someone knows the answer and tell me how to play it out.

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Originally posted by Shinidoki
Without Kings, I should imagine its won (or lost) for white right from move one.

clearly, the first person to win a passed pawn will win. (probably) -- and also, doubled+tripled pawns will make you lose quick.

with kings, it all becomes a lot more tricky
Sorry I did not make is clear enough. The pawn movements are the same as in normal chess but the aim is simply to promote a pawn to a queen and you win. So it doesn't matter if you sacrifice all the pawns as long as you queen.

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Originally posted by sorrymate
Sorry I did not make is clear enough. The pawn movements are the same as in normal chess but the aim is simply to promote a pawn to a queen and you win. So it doesn't matter if you sacrifice all the pawns as long as you queen.
....my points still remain.

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Originally posted by sorrymate
I'm not sure it's won for white. I haven't looked much at it actually but my intuition says that it's drawn. If player A has a winning strategy player B can probably copy it because of the symmetry. My question is if someone knows the answer and tell me how to play it out.
Ever heard of zugzwang?

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Yes, so what are you trying to say?

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Originally posted by sorrymate
The other day I saw some kids play a chess game with only pawns (no kings or pieces). The pawns started from their initial position and white had the first move as always. My question is how you should play correctly? Let's say I am black and my opponent, playing white, plays 1.h3 which pawn should I move?
when you say there are only 2 pawns...does that mean there are 2 on each side...or 2 total (1 on each side)

in either case...we will need to know what squares the 2 or 4 pawns begin on...(there are MANY variations)

I'm assuming this kind of game is practice for end games...once we know the position we begin in, I can give you certain variations

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It's actually a good way to teach young children. I started my kids on playing "pawns." We each got our Kings and then the child has ALL their pawns while the adult has only their rook's pawns. It doesn't take a child long to learn how to win that.

Then you move them on to trying to win while you use your rook and knight's pawns...then three on each side...and so on.

The goal in teaching a child chess (as I've come to learn), is to make sure they can win even while the adult plays their very best game.

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Originally posted by sorrymate
The other day I saw some kids play a chess game with only pawns (no kings or pieces). The pawns started from their initial position and white had the first move as always. My question is how you should play correctly? Let's say I am black and my opponent, playing white, plays 1.h3 which pawn should I move?
Err! Were they playing draughts?

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Originally posted by Dragon Fire
Err! Were they playing draughts?


Have you not seen this?
White to move, first to promote wins.
Teaches the kids the principle of passed pawns, sacrifice, en-passant, zugswang and so on in simplified surrounding but still in a game context...

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Originally posted by XanthosNZ
Ever heard of zugzwang?
I've played it some times with my niece, in Argentina we call it "Guerra de Peones" or "Pawn War". I didn't actually studied it, but seemed to me that it is ZUGZWANG as XanthosNZ said, so black wins. But, if it certanly is zugzwang, you must be so careful with the tempos. It would be crucial to maintain the tempos for black to get the win. I mean, special attention should be paid on when black shoud move their pawns 1 or 2 squares, obviously depending on white move.

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Originally posted by sorrymate
The other day I saw some kids play a chess game with only pawns (no kings or pieces). The pawns started from their initial position and white had the first move as always. My question is how you should play correctly? Let's say I am black and my opponent, playing white, plays 1.h3 which pawn should I move?
This little game (called 'the pawn game'😉 is in GM Lev Alburt's Comprehensive Chess Course series. The pawn game teaches beginning chess players how to move pawns well, and the goal of the game is to not win your opponent's pawns, but to get one of your pawns across the board. If both players end up locking up pawns in a draw, then they both did well. If you play correctly and know your pawns well, you will never see your opponent Queen a pawn in your territory.

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Originally posted by sorrymate
The other day I saw some kids play a chess game with only pawns (no kings or pieces). The pawns started from their initial position and white had the first move as always. My question is how you should play correctly? Let's say I am black and my opponent, playing white, plays 1.h3 which pawn should I move?
please don't waste forum space asking dumb questions like these.