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Does it count as receiving outside assistance if your opponent is messaging you explanations for his moves during the game?

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Originally posted by Jasen777
Does it count as receiving outside assistance if your opponent is messaging you explanations for his moves during the game?
No, I don't think so.

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Originally posted by Jasen777
Does it count as receiving outside assistance if your opponent is messaging you explanations for his moves during the game?
I don't believe you're supposed to be getting any kind of help or feedback on a rated game, including what you're describing.

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Originally posted by Jasen777
Does it count as receiving outside assistance if your opponent is messaging you explanations for his moves during the game?
Yes. If you benefit from your opponent's explanations of the failure of his understanding of the strategic principles in the position, you have violated a sacred agreement with Caissa.

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"After 1.e4, you can see I'm attacking the f5 square. Maybe you can fight back with 1...f5"

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while if he is explaining his move, that is okay, he if telling you stupiditys, that is not okay.....

if he is giving plan on your others games, that is incorrect.

and such....

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Originally posted by Jasen777
Does it count as receiving outside assistance if your opponent is messaging you explanations for his moves during the game?
This question makes me wonder what happens if you get an unsolicited PM with advice on how to proceed in one of your games.

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Originally posted by SwissGambit
This question makes me wonder what happens if you get an unsolicited PM with advice on how to proceed in one of your games.
After 1 minute,nothing 😉

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Originally posted by Jasen777
Does it count as receiving outside assistance if your opponent is messaging you explanations for his moves during the game?
I don't think so. The only question here should be if he is doing that on purpose, trying to misguide you somehow.

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Originally posted by Ajuin
After 1 minute,nothing 😉
Wait, wait, I didn't offer to be the test case. 😞

Thanks for the PM's, guys. 😛

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Originally posted by Jasen777
Does it count as receiving outside assistance if your opponent is messaging you explanations for his moves during the game?
No, it does not.

From TOS: "3(b) - While a game is in progress you may not refer to chess engines, chess
computers or be assisted by a third party."

Only third party assistance is against the rules. Your opponent is not a third party. A third
party is something or someone from outside the game.

It's very common for opponents to chat back and forth about a game - that's part of the reason
for the in-game messaging - to discuss the in-progress game. Not all games are competitive.
Many are played with players trying to learn and asking questions like "why did you move there?"
with answers like "because if you don't defend X with Y, then I'll be able to my move A to B
and capture your X."

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Originally posted by Jasen777
Does it count as receiving outside assistance if your opponent is messaging you explanations for his moves during the game?
My longtime friend and former college roommate Bralen and I are playing such a game on the site, and I agreed beforehand to explain what I was thinking each move when I sent it. The game is still in progress, and I think it is helping both of us, as the act of writing down what I am thinking gives me a new perspective as well.

I think the trick is that we are both exploring the game, and we are more focused on the process of the game than the result.

Paul

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I think Traveling Again's observation is key. Your opponent is not a third party.