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What is the right thing to do?

Say you are a couple of pieces down, but are in a position to check one move, then threaten mate the next, with your opponent only having one move possible each time.

You offer draw to opponent, rated about 80 points below you, advising them that you cannot win and as such will 'force' draw, after all a draw is better than a loss.

However your opponent insists that you play the end game rather than accept the draw, which would ultimately result in a loss for me, more or less saying that it is 'bad sportsmanship' on my part not to.

A second draw offer is also declined.

I will play to force the draw but wondered what would others do in this situation.

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Originally posted by adramforall
What is the right thing to do?

Say you are a couple of pieces down, but are in a position to check one move, then threaten mate the next, with your opponent only having one move possible each time.

You offer draw to opponent, ra ...[text shortened]... draw but wondered what would others do in this situation.

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I would do the same. If you have a losing endgame but can force a draw, then by all means force it! I have had many opportunities to force draws when I was down a little, but have played on. I figure I want to see if I can learn anything from playing on. But if a loss is certain, then take the draw.

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Originally posted by adramforall
What is the right thing to do?

Say you are a couple of pieces down, but are in a position to check one move, then threaten mate the next, with your opponent only having one move possible each time.

You offer draw to opponent, rated about 80 points below you, advising them that you cannot win and as such will 'force' draw, after all a draw is be ...[text shortened]... d.

I will play to force the draw but wondered what would others do in this situation.

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force the draw. why not?

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Originally posted by the jitty slitter
force the draw. why not?
Cheers. I have never been asked to play till I lose before.

Opponent is making me feel like a bad player by not "playing the game properly".

I think I may also wait till last minute to make moves prolonging the game, but then again that could be construed as childish......

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Not one of you has made any sense yet.

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umm - whats wrong with forciing a draw when materially down?

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I've had draws forced upon me without someone asking me to accept a draw.. we just waited til 3 fold repetition..
However.., I've also had people think they have me in perpetual check and keep offering me draws saying its perpetual check, and I've been able to stop the check by eventually blocking my king..
my point I guess is when someone things its a forced draw, doesn't always mean it is.. if the person doesn't believe you.. eventually it will either be a 3 fold repetition.. or.. 50 moves without capture or pawn movement..

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OTB its rude to offer 2 draws. You offer a draw, and if its declined don't offer another one. Wait till the other guy offers you one and if he never does thats to bad for you then.

Thats what I heard and I stick with that rule. Even my chess program mentioned that to me when i kept on offering it a draw. "don't you know its rude to offer 2 draws!" and i was like haha funny computer and then i asked people and they said it was true for OTB

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Originally posted by RahimK
OTB its rude to offer 2 draws. You offer a draw, and if its declined don't offer another one. Wait till the other guy offers you one and if he never does thats to bad for you then.

Thats what I heard and I stick with that rule. Even my chess program mentioned that to me when i kept on offering it a draw. "don't you know its rude to offer 2 draws!" and i was like haha funny computer and then i asked people and they said it was true for OTB
I agree. There are certain individuals especially in clan games that will repeatedly offer a draw very early in the game. I begin to get the feeling they don't want to play anymore but don't want to resign either. However I occaisionally perpepetuate this situation by accepting their offer out of sympathy.

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Say you are a couple of pieces down, but are in a position to check one move, then threaten mate the next, with your opponent only having one move possible each time.

You offer draw to opponent, rated about 80 points below you, advising them that you cannot win and as such will 'force' draw, after all a draw is better than a loss.

However your opponent insists that you play the end game ra ...[text shortened]... ely result in a loss for me, more or less saying that it is 'bad sportsmanship' on my part not to.
Feel free to force the draw -- it's part of the game. Your opponent has a material advantage but has failed to capitalise on it due to not protecting his/her king position from a draw by repetition. It's no different from being stalemated, or from checkmating someone on the back rank when they are material up -- just part of the game. Don't be made to feel guilty for it. There's no such thing as "bad sportsmanship" when it comes to playing your best in chess, and in fact going easy on one's opponent during a real-life tournament could even be construed as fudging a result.

I was recently in a queen and pawns endgame where I was a pawn up, but ended up having to accept a draw because my king was more exposed than my opponent's. Material advantage is not the only thing that matters in the game, as we all know, and if you take advantage of having a compensatory advantage (such as your opponent having a vulnerable king position) then that's a perfectly legitimate part of the game and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Hope this helps.