Results of g4 (Grob) trial

are equally conclusive

P 10 W 9 D 1 L 0

Average opponents rating 300 points below mine so a 95% score is precisely what would be expected if I had played d4 or e4!

Therefore, I conclude that g4 is even better than h4 or a4 (which is a dreadful move) and just as good as d4 and h4.

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
are equally conclusive

P 10 W 9 D 1 L 0

Average opponents rating 300 points below mine so a 95% score is precisely what would be expected if I had played d4 or e4!

Therefore, I conclude that g4 is even better than h4 or a4 (which is a dreadful move) and just as good as d4 and h4.

When playing people 300 points under you........

Our game is still not over. It is more playable sure, but not for a novice. The reason why I do not think it is better then d4 (or equal) is that it creates weaknesses.

I suspect playing people 300 points over you you might get 0.5-1.5ish with e4/d4/c4 openings and 0 with a4,h4,g4.

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
are equally conclusive

P 10 W 9 D 1 L 0

Average opponents rating 300 points below mine so a 95% score is precisely what would be expected if I had played d4 or e4!

Therefore, I conclude that g4 is even better than h4 or a4 (which is a dreadful move) and just as good as d4 and h4.

You can beat lower rated opponents with a lot of garbage. Doesn't mean it's good.

Again, I'm not out to get you. Just stating an opinion which a lot of people would agree with.

Originally posted by Xpofer
Our game is still not over. It is more playable sure, but not for a novice. The reason why I do not think it is better then d4 (or equal) is that it creates weaknesses.

Your game is an extra one! Game 11!

This is because I was enjoying this opening so much!

Originally posted by RahimK
You can beat lower rated opponents with a lot of garbage. Doesn't mean it's good.

Again, I'm not out to get you. Just stating an opinion which a lot of people would agree with.

Don't worry, I'm not out to get anyone either.

This is all in the name of fun! Chess is fun (to me!) although I suspect some on this site take it far to seriously!

Originally posted by Dragon Fire
are equally conclusive

P 10 W 9 D 1 L 0

Average opponents rating 300 points below mine so a 95% score is precisely what would be expected if I had played d4 or e4!

Therefore, I conclude that g4 is even better than h4 or a4 (which is a dreadful move) and just as good as d4 and h4.

So g4 is just as good as h4 and better than h4 as well?

Originally posted by Freddie2006
So g4 is just as good as h4 and better than h4 as well?

g4 is definately better than h4.

I have 2 books on it "The Killer Grob" by Basman and "The Tactical Grob" by Bloodgood.

I don't have any books on h4!

GMs have been beaten by g4 and I have personally beaten an IM OTB so it can't be all bad!

basman defence is the begging of the fritz gambit d4 g5 e4 Bg7 Bxg5 c5😀 and lots of pressure on d4

10 games isn't exactly a conclusive sample. 🙂

The Grob frusterates me. I have no idea how to play against it. I think it is playable.

Isn't 1. f3 considered the worst first move?

Originally posted by lausey
Isn't 1. f3 considered the worst first move?

only if immediatly by blacks e5 and whites g4

Originally posted by lausey
Isn't 1. f3 considered the worst first move?

I'd say it is. At least a4 and h4 clear paths for the rooks. 1.f3 doesnt open up any pieces, except for the king which you don't want to expose. 1.f4 Doesn't open any pieces either, but at least it takes a share of the center.