07 Feb '13 23:22>
Would appreciate suggestions for books to read or grandmasters to study, whose games illustrate techniques for drawing with a rook and king versus a queen and king in the endgame.
Originally posted by YourWorstKnightmareIt is certainly not an easy win when both players know the winning and drawing methods. But it is supposed to be a forced win. I saw it in my first chess book, "Chess Self-Teacher" by Al Horowitz. I think it is a good beginner book.
For instance, there is the classic Rook versus Queen fortress draw, a possibility even Kramnik for instance has missed, as with his 35th move in Kramnik-Deep Fritz (Bahrain [6] 2002).
Originally posted by YourWorstKnightmare
Citing just 5 examples, from Botvinnik, Dorfman, and V. Khenkin, across fewer than 4 pages, Dvoretsky ( "Dvoretsky's Endgame Manual" ) does illustrate the side with the rook
successfully securing a draw against the Queen -- but his is a pretty skimpy coverage.
It's the sort of duel that Averbakh or Smyslov or Benko may have explored.
Originally posted by DeepThoughtRh2+ could even win if Black does not take the Rook. 😏
[fen]7R/8/8/8/8/8/2q3k1/K7[/fen]
White to play and draw in one.
If you download table bases (a kind of chess ending database), which you can do from Bob Hyatt's website (search for Crafty on google, if you do not have a chess program then SCID is free and can cope with 5 piece table bases) then you can find all the drawn positions, and use the tool his for in progress games on this site as using table bases in a game is against the rules.🙂
Originally posted by VarenkaIn Chess Self-Teacher by Al Horowitz he shows several positions and some moves White must avoid to prevent Black from drawing. In his position the rook is on the right side of the king instead of the left, however the general winning procedure would have the same idea.
I agree that this is usually won for the side with the queen. I'm not good at assessing the practicality of swindles but here's one...
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[FEN "8/8/8/2rk4/8/3KQ3/8/8 w - - 0 0"]
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1. Qe4+ Kd6 2. Kd4 Rc6 3. Qe5+ Kd7 4. Kd5 Rc7 5. Qe6+ Kd8 6. Kd6 Rc6+ *
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Originally posted by greenpawn34When the rook runs away from the king there is always a way to force a position to fork the King and rook, but he made it just too easy for you.
Hi V.
"I'm not good at assessing the practicality of swindles but here's one..."
All the endgame books I know warn you of such a possibility.
It is a very practicle tool to have in your saddlebag.
Just some RHP examples from a very deep pot.
We see each position just as the Rook is being sacced for the stalemate.
infomast - scottcrockart RH ...[text shortened]... 4 97.Kc2 Kd4 98.Rb3 Qa4 99.Kb2 Kc4 100.Rb7 Qc6 101.Rb3 Qg2+ 102.Ka3 Qd2 103.Rb8 Qd6+[/pgn]