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15 Apr 07
15 Apr 07
Originally posted by wittywonkaRetake with the d-pawn. It goes against the general guidance of usually retaking towards the center, but in this case, it opens up the bishop diagonal.
If you're playing black against the Ruy Lopez and you get to:
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 a6
4. Bxc6 ?
Should you (black) retake with the b pawn or the d pawn? In general, which provides better structural positioning (more like less bad positioning)?
15 Apr 07
Originally posted by wittywonkad pawn is the more popular move by far.
If you're playing black against the Ruy Lopez and you get to:
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 a6
4. Bxc6 ?
Should you (black) retake with the b pawn or the d pawn? In general, which provides better structural positioning (more like less bad positioning)?
15 Apr 07
Originally posted by wittywonkayou MUST take with the d pawn or else
If you're playing black against the Ruy Lopez and you get to:
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 a6
4. Bxc6 ?
Should you (black) retake with the b pawn or the d pawn? In general, which provides better structural positioning (more like less bad positioning)?
4...bxc6
5.Nxe5
if you take with d pawn
4...dxc6
5.Nxe5 Qd4
you get your pawn back plus block a castle.
15 Apr 07
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Originally posted by Ason Pigg2While I think it's better to take with the d-pawn, I don't think taking with the b-pawn is quite as bad as you state. If 4...bxc6 5.Nxe5, then 5...Qg5 6.Nf3 Qxg2 7.Rg1 Qh3 gets the pawn back. (Or, another variation, if 4...bxc6 5.Nxe5, then 5...Qg5 6.d4 Qxg2 7.Qf3 Qxf3 8.Nxf3 also gets the pawn back.)
you MUST take with the d pawn or else
4...bxc6
5.Nxe5
if you take with d pawn
4...dxc6
5.Nxe5 Qd4
you get your pawn back plus block a castle.
But 4...dxc6 opens up the diagonal for the Queen bishop and makes for easy development and active play for black.
16 Apr 07
Originally posted by wittywonkaThis is a Ruy Lopez basic like they said, you must use the d pawn to retate or else loose your e pawn, white can't take becuase then the queen can fork the knight and rook on d4.
If you're playing black against the Ruy Lopez and you get to:
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. Bb5 a6
4. Bxc6 ?
Should you (black) retake with the b pawn or the d pawn? In general, which provides better structural positioning (more like less bad positioning)?
16 Apr 07
Originally posted by Mad Rookwow your accually right
While I think it's better to take with the d-pawn, I don't think taking with the b-pawn is quite as bad as you state. If 4...bxc6 5.Nxe5, then 5...Qg5 6.Nf3 Qxg2 7.Rg1 Qh3 gets the pawn back. (Or, another variation, if 4...bxc6 5.Nxe5, then 5...Qg5 6.d4 Qxg2 7.Qf3 Qxf3 8.Nxf3 also gets the pawn back.)
But 4...dxc6 opens up the diagonal for the Queen bishop and makes for easy development and active play for black.
according to databases perfabally go with d4 for that matter against the queen