Originally posted by tomtom232whites wasted advance looks ugly, and i think c5 makes him pay a little and isnt too far out. i usually like a chain like the caro but in the case theyve already gave you a shot at the center why not take it? 🙂
I think it looks rather ugly actually. You can't move your pawns backwards!
Originally posted by irontigranI don't listen to people who aren't even 1200. 😏
whites wasted advance looks ugly, and i think c5 makes him pay a little and isnt too far out. i usually like a chain like the caro but in the case theyve already gave you a shot at the center why not take it? 🙂
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Originally posted by tomtom232In both the Caro-Kann and the French Defenses, it is almost always imperative for Black to play ...c5 at some point, espcially against the Advanced Variations of both of those defenses. After 1 e4 d5 2 e5, 2...c6 is almost guaranteed to cost Black a tempo at some point. After 2...c6, White can play 3 d4, at which point we have a "normal" Advanced Caro-Kann. Nothing wrong with that, except that White gave us a chance to probably equalize after s/he played 2 e5, so I don't see why we shouldn't avail ourselves of the opportunity to get a great game. What I'm trying to say is, 2...c6 ain't bad, but by virtually any viable standard of chess strategy, 2...c5 is much superior, IMO. I also think that 2...Bf5 is also better than 2...c6.
Depending on what white does you might want the pawn on c6. Both are equally flexible and you could move the bishop to g4 later if it will be better there.
Originally posted by gaychessplayerI never offered 2...c6 as a move. My point was that after 2...Bf5 you can play ...c5 later or if you need to you can play ...c6. After 2...Bf5 3...e6 you have a french defense set up with the bishop outside the chain and in the french white can't really stop ...c5 so you might as well hold off on playing it for now knowing you will be able to play it later.
In both the Caro-Kann and the French Defenses, it is almost always imperative for Black to play ...c5 at some point, espcially against the Advanced Variations of both of those defenses. After 1 e4 d5 2 e5, 2...c6 is almost guaranteed to cost Black a tempo at some point. After 2...c6, White can play 3 d4, at which point we have a "normal" Advanced C ...[text shortened]... tegy, 2...c5 is much superior, IMO. I also think that 2...Bf5 is also better than 2...c6.
Originally posted by tomtom232Good points all.
I never offered 2...c6 as a move. My point was that after 2...Bf5 you can play ...c5 later or if you need to you can play ...c6. After 2...Bf5 3...e6 you have a french defense set up with the bishop outside the chain and in the french white can't really stop ...c5 so you might as well hold off on playing it for now knowing you will be able to play it later.
Originally posted by exigentskyIf you're referring to my comment, I was just joshing him since he is much stronger than his current rating suggests.
Let's judge the content of the posts not the quality of the rating. Sometimes, I've learned a lot from players much weaker than me.