23 Oct 07
Hey I have a quick question regarding the Scotch Game. I play this opening whenever I can, but I found that often black would recapture my knight in the middle, which of course I follow by capturing black's knight with my queen, placing it on d4, right smack in the middle of the board. Now I know that technically that's an advantage for me because it's a mistake by black if they recapture with their knight on d4. However, I really don't know what to do with my queen once it's out, especially since there really aren't any other peices out there with it. For example, what should I do after:
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Nxd4?
5. Qxd4 c5
I always get really nervous whenever my queen's out early, any ideas?
23 Oct 07
Originally posted by ih8sensyou could have just come out and said it in lamen's terms: The Scotch sucks. play 1. d4!
frankly i believe black is equal after c5. Qe5+ is what fritz plays.... 5 moves later black is equal.
I don't play the scotch for that reason, you'll find fav's over time as your old friends get 'refuted' in your book.
23 Oct 07
Originally posted by mrjonesvich321If it were that easy to equalize, Kasparov never would have used the Scotch vs. Karpov or Anand.
Hey I have a quick question regarding the Scotch Game. I play this opening whenever I can, but I found that often black would recapture my knight in the middle, which of course I follow by capturing black's knight with my queen, placing it on d4, right smack in the middle of the board. Now I know that technically that's an advantage for me because i ...[text shortened]... Nxd4?
5. Qxd4 c5
I always get really nervous whenever my queen's out early, any ideas?
It is hard to see how White isn't better after 5. ...c5. 6. Qa4, Qd3, Qe3 all leave White with better central space and control, as well as a piece developed, albeit an early Queen move. Even 6. Qd1 leaves White in pretty good shape.
One thing about the Scotch is you must be prepared to exchange Queens and utilize the Scotch center/pawn structure. As Black I'd much rather play Classical variation than exchanging immediately.
24 Oct 07
Originally posted by Chipotlethen 2. ... f5 and we get the dutch... you'll never see me play into the QG, it's too good for white.
1. d4 e6 2. c4
Nobody says you need to play the French. Personally I almost always decline the French after 1. d4 e6. Too many French players are well versed on theory & the associated traps.
24 Oct 07
Originally posted by rubberjaw30the dutch is gloriously tactical for black.. more positional/defensive for white.. that's the exact same reason I play the traxler... and the dutch is far safer, why avoid it?
what about Benko's or any of the three main Indian Defences? not the bloody Dutch... it's just horrible looking.
24 Oct 07
Originally posted by ih8sensTrue, but as a 1.d4 player, you have to be prepared to face the Dutch anyway. I just don't like running into the freakin' French Defense. I like my d-pawn darnit, and those French players just keep going after it.
then 2. ... f5 and we get the dutch... you'll never see me play into the QG, it's too good for white.
24 Oct 07
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Originally posted by Chipotleactually.. i'm really really good as white against the french... and I totally suck as black.. I usually hope for c4,
True, but as a 1.d4 player, you have to be prepared to face the Dutch anyway. I just don't like running into the freakin' French Defense. I like my d-pawn darnit, and those French players just keep going after it.
sometimes it's good to call the black bluff.
Game 4156659 - This game is the reason I don't like the french... the only reason I play e6 before f5 is because I really want to find a good gambit in the line... I'll probably go exclusively dutch eventualy.
edit - about that game I posted... e5 wasn't the blunder... Bxh7+ won for white anyways.
24 Oct 07
Originally posted by Chipotlei play d4 and score horribly against the Dutch Defense...
True, but as a 1.d4 player, you have to be prepared to face the Dutch anyway. I just don't like running into the freakin' French Defense. I like my d-pawn darnit, and those French players just keep going after it.
my record:
.5 and 100.5
or something like that... either way, I've had all losses except for one draw against the Flying Dutchman himself.
24 Oct 07
Originally posted by mrjonesvich3215...c5? is bad because it gives away control of d5 and it creates a backward d-pawn. Leave your queen at d3, so that it can aim at the d-pawn, or move to g3, aiming at the kingside, if Black chooses to castle kingside. Regarding the black d-pawn, if at d6, you may play Bf4 and O-O-O to put pressure.
1. e4 e5
2. Nf3 Nc6
3. d4 exd4
4. Nxd4 Nxd4?
5. Qxd4 c5
24 Oct 07
Originally posted by badivan1c5 is best in that position IMO. You gotta pressure that queen, don't let it sit there.
5...c5? is bad because it gives away control of d5 and it creates a backward d-pawn. Leave your queen at d3, so that it can aim at the d-pawn, or move to g3, aiming at the kingside, if Black chooses to castle kingside. Regarding the black d-pawn, if at d6, you may play Bf4 and O-O-O to put pressure.
24 Oct 07
Originally posted by ih8sensno, I disagree...
c5 is best in that position IMO. You gotta pressure that queen, don't let it sit there.
backwards d-pawns are the devil, I tell you!
unless your opponent forcibly hangs his queen (example of forcibly hanging queen: 1. e4 e5 2. Qh5 Nc6 3. Qxf7+) you will not win with a backwards d-pawn... it's just impossible.