seeee! the french still sucks!

Originally posted by AsianRose
If you're saying the French Defense sucks, I certainly hope you're talking about World War I and II! I've been a French fan for a long time and would be inclined to slap/kick/behead any who slander it. But I grant that as white playing against someone who doesn't really understand it, it's easy to take it apart. Against someone who really knows it, ...[text shortened]... uldn't put myself into that category quite yet) it's a great way to stymie gung-ho e4 players.

Paultopia, you really have no idea what you're talking about. French Defense doesn't suck, your opponents must suck.
You gotta find someone who plays french better than that and then you will notice you're mistaken.

Well I have to agree with paultopia. I lost three with black and won three with white.

Could somebody give me the sequence of moves leading up to the starting position in the tournament? I can't seem to locate any references to the "Milner-Barry Gambit" in my old MCO or on the opening databases I can find.

1. e2-e4 e7-e6
2. d2-d4 d7-d5
3. e4-e5 c7-c5
4. c2-c3 Nb8-c6
5. Ng1-f3 Qd8-b6
6. Bf1-d3 c5xd4

The French ain't my cup of tea (a little too passive as far as I'm concerned) but looking at some of the tournament games the problem seems to be that black consistently fails to develop his pieces, particulary on the king side. There isn't any opening that's good if you spend your time moving your Queen around the board while the other side is developing. For example, in the Milner-Barry Black is supposed to get his king side knight out to f5 via e7. Is anybody doing that? Not that I see. I would say that typically the French is considered one of the hardest defenses to e4 for White to get a quick knockout (beside the Caro-Kann zzzzzzzzzzzz) and if people are consistently getting smashed they probably don't understand it. So does the French "suck" or does these player's understanding of it suck?

Originally posted by Gejorotto
Paultopia, you really have no idea what you're talking about. French Defense doesn't suck, your opponents must suck.
You gotta find someone who plays french better than that and then you will notice you're mistaken.

I'll get on paultopia's side so I can show off my one victory in my latest tourney(mentioned in the 'blundering idiot' thread)
I used the Millner-Barry gambit as a surprise weapon 'cause I knew my opponent would be well prepared for my usual advance variation.It worked wonderfully well 😀

1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 c5 4. c3 Qb6 5. Nf3 Nc6 6. Bd3 Bd7 7. O-O cxd4 8.
cxd4 Nxd4 9. Nxd4 Qxd4 10. Nc3 Qxe5 11. Re1 Qd6 12. Nb5 Bxb5 13. Bxb5+ Ke7
14. Qd4 Nf6 15. Bd2 Kd8 16. Rac1 Qb6 17. Qa4 Qd6 18. Bf4 Qb4 19. Bc7+
Black resigns
1-0

Originally posted by paultopia
I'm pleased to report that, although I've been good and stomped in my little me vs. the world challenge, in the french advance milner-barry gambit tourney, I have successfully vindicated the white side. As white against my 3 opponents, I checkmated 1 in 10 moves, utterly shattered my opponent in the second, he resigned 10 moves in, facing mate in one. ...[text shortened]... loss.

:-) The french still sucks.

http://www.redhotpawn.com/tournament/view.php?tid=242

I personally use St. George's Defence...it's a close relative of the French...I have used it to great effects...

Seriously...paultopia...I need to play you...my weird openings against your crazy gambits? We have the makings of a game that'd go down in history...

Hah! send it along :-)

If you wanna play an awesome French player...challenge Zumdahl. He is my friend, an NM at 18, and consistently rocks me pretty bad with the French...lol.....I dunno if you guys remember Schliemann, but Zum beat Schliemann with the black side.

see my thread "Paultopia and the French"

I got him with it and I don't even really play it!

Originally posted by hypermo2001
see my thread "Paultopia and the French"

I got him with it and I don't even really play it!