Originally posted by AThousandYoung Should my opponent have resigned this one or played it out? I was down two pieces but attacked aggressively and he resigned. Was that the right call?
Originally posted by AThousandYoung Should my opponent have resigned this one or played it out? I was down two pieces but attacked aggressively and he resigned. Was that the right call?
Think we can chalk this one down to someone resigning in a won position.
He quickly thought he had to move the Knight then gets mated on f7.
Having 39 other games at the same time did not help.
In one practically forced line Black can use the attacked Knight on e5 to take part in a mate.
FEN
2rr1k2/pp3p1Q/1q2p1p1/3pn1N1/3n1PP1/8/PP4KP/5R2 b - - 0 1
1. Ng1f3 d5 2. g3 Bc8f5 3. Bf1g2 Nb8d7 4. d4 c5 5. c3 Ng8f6 6. O-O e6 7. Nf3h4 Bf5g6 8. Nh4xg6 hxg6 9. Qd1b3 Qd8c7 10. Bc1f4 Qc7c6 11. c4 Nd7b6 12. cxd5 exd5 13. dxc5 Bf8xc5 14. Nb1c3 a6 15. e4 O-O-O 16. Ra1d1 Qc6e8 17. exd5 Rh8xh2 18. Rd1e1 {No Idea why the rook wasn't taken. I couldn't see a clear winning combination after this, I was just desperate} Qe8h8 19. Nc3e4 Nf6g4 20. Ne4d6 Bc5xd6 0-1
Same question as above. Someone resigned against me and I've got a feeling there's a way out of this. I was thinking 21.QC2+, followed by F3, but it fails to 21... NC4 I think?
Originally posted by AThousandYoung Should my opponent have resigned this one or played it out? I was down two pieces but attacked aggressively and he resigned. Was that the right call?
You both should have resigned. After the tenth move black should be fighting for a draw the rest of the game... trading off his good bishop and a couple tempi for your bad bishop? suicide... you seemed to have the right ideas. your knight was heading for d6 and you played g4 Ng5 preparing f4-f5 to try and attack f7, maybe it was rushed and tactically ill prepared but it seems like you just gave up on your idea and started farting around the board.
Originally posted by VelvetEars [pgn]1. Ng1f3 d5 2. g3 Bc8f5 3. Bf1g2 Nb8d7 4. d4 c5 5. c3 Ng8f6 6. O-O e6 7. Nf3h4 Bf5g6 8. Nh4xg6 hxg6 9. Qd1b3 Qd8c7 10. Bc1f4 Qc7c6 11. c4 Nd7b6 12. cxd5 exd5 13. dxc5 Bf8xc5 14. Nb1c3 a6 15. e4 O-O-O 16. Ra1d1 Qc6e8 17. exd5 Rh8xh2 18. Rd1e1 {No Idea why the rook wasn't taken. I couldn't see a clear winning combination after this, I was just desperat way out of this. I was thinking 21.QC2+, followed by F3, but it fails to 21... NC4 I think?
not much looking but 20.Bf3 seems to hold the immediate threats but if white can't generate some attack it doesn't seem like he has a chance.
Originally posted by tomtom232 not much looking but 20.Bf3 seems to hold the immediate threats but if white can't generate some attack it doesn't seem like he has a chance.
Bf3 still loses to Rh1+ followed by Qh2++, however that did get me thinking that Be4 does stop all immediate mating threats, however will end up with the king being on f3 which ain't ideal.
Originally posted by VelvetEars [pgn]1. Ng1f3 d5 2. g3 Bc8f5 3. Bf1g2 Nb8d7 4. d4 c5 5. c3 Ng8f6 6. O-O e6 7. Nf3h4 Bf5g6 8. Nh4xg6 hxg6 9. Qd1b3 Qd8c7 10. Bc1f4 Qc7c6 11. c4 Nd7b6 12. cxd5 exd5 13. dxc5 Bf8xc5 14. Nb1c3 a6 15. e4 O-O-O 16. Ra1d1 Qc6e8 17. exd5 Rh8xh2 18. Rd1e1 {No Idea why the rook wasn't taken. I couldn't see a clear winning combination after this, I was just desperat ...[text shortened]... way out of this. I was thinking 21.QC2+, followed by F3, but it fails to 21... NC4 I think?
White is toast with good play by Black. But lots of tactics abound, and if Black falters, White could get back in the game. So with a cheapo still possible, as White I wouldn't have resigned at this point.
21.Be4 would hold off immediate mate, but White would probably lose more material:
FEN
2kr3q/1p3pp1/pn1b2p1/3P4/5Bn1/1Q4P1/PP3PBr/4RRK1 w - - 0 21
21. Qc2+ Nc4 22. Qxc4+ Kd7 23. Bh6 {Cute. This breaks up Black's Q-R battery and attacks the black knight at the same time. White has almost dug himself out of the hole and still has a fighting chance.} *
If 21.Qc2+, the clincher for Black is:
FEN
2kr3q/1p3pp1/pn1b2p1/3P4/5Bn1/1Q4P1/PP3PBr/4RRK1 w - - 0 21
21. Qc2+ Kd7 {Kd7 stops any more annoying checks. With the mate threat hanging over White's head, all he can really do is lose more material with moves like Be4, which we've already seen, or Re7+. And if f3...} 22. f3 Bc5+ 23. Be3 Bxe3+ 24. Rxe3 Nxe3 *
Originally posted by Mad Rook [b]White is toast with good play by Black. But lots of tactics abound, and if Black falters, White could get back in the game. So with a cheapo still possible, as White I wouldn't have resigned at this point.
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If 21.Qc2+ Nc4:
21. Qc2+ Nc4 22. Qxc4+ Kd7 23. Bh6 Nxh6 24. Re4 {You're right, White can't take the rook - suicide. White has to play a piece down as the price to be paid to keep the black knight off the critical g4 square. Re4 helps to activate his pieces and aids in coverage of the g4 square.} Nf5 25. Rfe1 {White is a piece down, but he's eliminated the mate threat, and his pieces are active. White will still have to hope for a mistake by Black, but anything's possible.} *
Here's another interesting line:
FEN
2kr3q/1p3pp1/pn1b2p1/3P4/5Bn1/1Q4P1/PP3PBr/4RRK1 w - - 0 21
21. Qc2+ Nc4 22. Qxc4+ Kd7 23. Bh6 Nxh6 24. Re4 f5 25. Re6 Ng4 {Black is now only one tempo away from the mating combo.} 26. Rxd6+ Kxd6 27. Qb4+ {White is down a rook, but now it's a king hunt.} *