Game 3115123
I know the game is in progress, but I thought that this is a draw by getting the same position three time according to the rule:
Third repetition of a position. If any identical position appears three times during a game, then the game can be claimed as a draw. Please note that each repetition must be identical with regards to en passant and castling availability. A draw can only be claimed along with a move that contributes to a repetition. Claiming after the repetition has occurred is not possible, unless the same position can be repeated again on a future move.
The identical positions were at moves 39-42-44, with whites King on f2, whites Rook on d1, blacks King on e7, bishops on a6 and b8. Pawns and white knight haven't moved in this sequence. I claimed the draw when making the 44th move.
Did I misunderstood something here?
Originally posted by Dance Master MCYes, I claimed by pressing the "claim draw" button, confirming by ticking a box and then pressed the "move" button.
he said he claimed it on move 44. The last repetition.
The problem might be that I have to claim before moving. That means before actually the position was repeated the third time. However, after moving I do not have the option anymore to claim a draw.
Sorry, I didn't read it properly.
When you make the claim for threefold repetition you call over the arbiter BEFORE you make your move and say "when I make my next move" (which you must have written down) "the same position will have occurred three times".
Now, in this case Black cannot do this because he didn't play the same move each time the position in question was reached, after 44...Ke7 that position, with the king on e7, has only occurred twice.
Originally posted by gambit05Yes. As you've seen.
Does that really count as different position?
from FIDE Rule 9.2
"Positions... are considered the same, if the same player has the move, pieces of the same kind and colour occupy the same squares, and the possible moves of all the pieces of both players are the same. Positions are not the same if a pawn that could have been captured en passant can no longer in this manner be captured or if the right to castle has been changed temporarily or permanently."
Originally posted by Fat LadyHang on, but I thought you weren't allowed to write the move down before moving (technically speaking, not that I've ever seen it enforced)?
When you make the claim for threefold repetition you call over the arbiter BEFORE you make your move and say "when I make my next move" (which you must have written down) "the same position will have occurred three times".
Originally posted by Fat LadyIt has nothing to do with making the same move 3 times.
Sorry, I didn't read it properly.
When you make the claim for threefold repetition you call over the arbiter BEFORE you make your move and say "when I make my next move" (which you must have written down) "the same position will have occurred three times".
Now, in this case Black cannot do this because he didn't play the same move each time the positi ...[text shortened]... n was reached, after 44...Ke7 that position, with the king on e7, has only occurred twice.
You only have to reach the same position with the same player having the move. You can attain a 3rd repeat of a position using 3 different moves to get to that position.
If your opponent puts you in the same position a 3rd time with you having the move, that is not sufficient for a draw. If the first two times you were in a position you made different moves, you won't have a basis to claim a draw on your next move. Of course your opponent could have claimed a draw with such a move, but if he/she doesn't you can't.
It can only be claimed by putting your opponent in the same position 3 times with him/her having the move.
Originally posted by techsouthIf your opponents move creates a 3-fold repetition and he doesn't claim it then you can claim it before you move.
It has nothing to do with making the same move 3 times.
You only have to reach the same position with the same player having the move. You can attain a 3rd repeat of a position using 3 different moves to get to that position.
If your opponent puts you in the same position a 3rd time with you having the move, that is not sufficient for a draw. If th ...[text shortened]... e claimed by putting your opponent in the same position 3 times with him/her having the move.
Of course if he has created an identical position 3 times by making the same move again you will also create it with your move. This can occur at any time in the game.
In the game quoted there has only been a 2-fold repetition.
Originally posted by Dragon Fire
If your opponents move creates a 3-fold repetition and he doesn't claim it then you can claim it before you move.
Really, I didn't know this. I don't think RHP gives the option to claim a draw this way without moving.
Of course if he has created an identical position 3 times by making the same move again you will also create it with your move. This can occur at any time in the game.
Not necessarily. As I said, if you make two different moves the first two times you get to a position, your 3rd move does not give a basis to claim a draw.
Originally posted by techsouthIt does not matter what move you make to get to the position nor what move you make from the position. What matters is that the position is dynamically the same (i.e. that all the same moves are possible, including e.p., castling, etc.). If RHP does not permit this then there is a flaw in its draw algorithim.
Not necessarily. As I said, if you make two different moves the first two times you get to a position, your 3rd move does not give a basis to claim a draw.