16 Jan 12
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Originally posted by PhlabibitAnswer the question please:
Who do you consider an honest player? Run their numbers... you may be surprised.
Honest players below GM level?
EDIT: Your statement was: I believe there are honest players that can obtain those numbers.
"Those" numbers are the ones generated by Skeeter on RHP.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by PhlabibitRHP doesn't even have a match up system anymore. The mods have gone.
It's not the mach-up system used by RHP... that much I know. You can prove that for yourself... run some numbers.
Why am i having to back up your statement?! You made the claim so the the onus is on you to substantiate it.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by Proper KnobAll I can offer is what I've offered so far. 60 first and 85 third choice were not the criteria for removal, just further investigation.
RHP doesn't even have a match up system anymore. The mods have gone.
Why am i having to back up your statement?! You made the claim so the the onus is on you to substantiate it.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by no1marauderSkeeter was not removed for engine use. Some say she did use, others say she didn't.
Answer the question please:
Honest players below GM level?
EDIT: Your statement was: I believe there are honest players that can obtain those numbers.
"Those" numbers are the ones generated by Skeeter on RHP.
How was that batch selected? Was it a random pull... was it 20 high matching games out of 90 ran? I don't know. Do you?
16 Jan 12
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Originally posted by PhlabibitIt was her last 20 games (before November 2010 when SB/Z ran it) against 2000+ with over 20 non-database moves. That seems like a fair sample; no game meeting that criteria was excluded. A few of the games had matchups significantly lower than those of a suspicious nature. Most were 90% or above, however.
Skeeter was not removed for engine use. Some say she did use, others say she didn't.
How was that batch selected? Was it a random pull... was it 20 high matching games out of 90 ran? I don't know. Do you?
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by no1marauderShe did have that sticky note telling herself to watch for danger...
It was her last 20 games (before November 2010 when SB/Z ran it) against 2000+ with over 20 non-database moves. That seems like a fair sample; no game meeting that criteria was excluded. A few of the games had matchups significantly lower than those of a suspicious nature. Most were 90% or above, however.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by PhlabibitI wish I had a sticky note that said "Don't put your Queen on the same diagonal as your King when the other guy still has his Bishop". Game 7856460
She did have that sticky note telling herself to watch for danger...
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by PhlabibitYou stated you believed honest players could achieve those numbers, as of yet i have seen no data from you to back up that claim.
All I can offer is what I've offered so far. 60 first and 85 third choice were not the criteria for removal, just further investigation.
I have no doubt 60 first and 85 third were not the criteria for removal, but judging by what people have said in this thread and the other which was closed i get the impression that criteria could be the reason the game mod team no longer exists.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by Proper KnobI think it should remain a big mystery.
You stated you believed honest players could achieve those numbers, as of yet i have seen no data from you to back up that claim.
I have no doubt 60 first and 85 third were not the criteria for removal, but judging by what people have said in this thread and the other which was closed i get the impression that criteria could be the reason the game mod team no longer exists.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by no1marauderOr castle ASAP
I wish I had a sticky note that said "Don't put your Queen on the same diagonal as your King when the other guy still has his Bishop". Game 7856460
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by Proper Knobplease excuse my ignorance. what is a game mod team?
You stated you believed honest players could achieve those numbers, as of yet i have seen no data from you to back up that claim.
I have no doubt 60 first and 85 third were not the criteria for removal, but judging by what people have said in this thread and the other which was closed i get the impression that criteria could be the reason the game mod team no longer exists.
16 Jan 12
Match rates aren't the whole story.
60/75/85% top 1/2/3 matches as I said before is the extreme upper end of human achievable engine-like play.
Other things like tell-tale ski-slope ratings graph, gameload, win/draw ratio compared to losses, real-world credentials (or lack thereof) & stable lowish rating then "eureka" moment can all come into question.
Other sites use a page view log which records a users activities whilst on the site. This can provide crucial circumstantial evidence to back the match rate data, which will always be the single biggest factor in cases where you want to find out if someone is using an engine on a regular basis.
I've been doing this for years, and whilst far from the highest rates I've found, skeeter's results - when you take her complete lack of credentials into account - should have meant a ban.
16 Jan 12
Originally posted by ZygalskiIs 30 seconds with 12 min /16 max depth the standard?
Match rates aren't the whole story.
60/75/85% top 1/2/3 matches as I said before is the extreme upper end of human achievable engine-like play.
Other things like tell-tale ski-slope ratings graph, gameload, win/draw ratio compared to losses, real-world credentials (or lack thereof) & stable lowish rating then "eureka" moment can all come into question.
O ...[text shortened]... s - when you take her complete lack of credentials into account - should have meant a ban.
16 Jan 12
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Originally posted by Zygalski
[b]Match rates aren't the whole story......
Other sites use a page view log which records a users activities whilst on the site. This can provide crucial circumstantial evidence to back the match rate data, which will always be the single biggest factor in cases where you want to find out if someone is using an engine on a regular basis.
I've been doing t y ignorance. What sorts of "...activites whilst on the site..." would indicate machine usage?